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Topic : Middleway Meadows |
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| fatbob |
Another planning application has gone in - Ref:16/03577/MAO for a local builder to destroy yet another of Silsden's green fields. No consideration to the loss of habitat, the residents of Middleway - just look at No1 Middleway who now looks out on to a brick wall from the back garden, two storey brick boxes over looking bungalows - hardly inkeeping!destruction of mature trees. This piece meal destruction of green field sites has got to stop. Why dont you build on the acres of brown field sites in Silsden? Leave our green spaces alone. |
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| Bee2771 |
OOOOOOO be careful what you say regarding this builder, to many on here he is a God like figure and they wont allow people to question his his building ethics. Don't forget he is a "local lad" who employs "local lads" and help construct the bandstand.... so to many he has earned the right to build anywhere without question!!!! |
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| mayflower |
Well said Fatbob 😊 |
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| old_miner |
It is all the fault of Bradford council, always is in Silsden. |
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| Happywalker |
Unfortunately Fatbob is spot on. The residents of Silsden are watching what made it a lovely rural village to live in being ripped away from us. Our beautiful surroundings are fast disappearing and green fields are being turned into housing estates. Has anybody done the maths and calculated that for every new house, how many more children there will be needing a school place, how many more people there will be waiting for a doctors appointment, and how many more cars there will be clogging up our village centre? Clearly not, and all so short sighted. It is all very very sad. |
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| grandad |
quoteIt is all the fault of Bradford council, always is in Silsden. Now who's being a Nimby? |
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| old_miner |
Silsden has been a small industrial town for over 200 years and before that a working farm town. Never a twee rural village. When we moved here over 20 years ago we expected Silsden to grow more than it has. If anything has,slowed that development then it is the bottleneck bridge over the canal. Certainly not a NIMBY, more houses are needed, and there is plenty of room around here. |
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| Franky |
I agree with Old Miner. Silsden has been growing since Silsden began. Why should now be any different? There was a time, not that long ago, when the houses beneath Middleway had to put up with houses being built above them, thats how Middleway came to be. Why is this different? As for "in keeping" and what views people have to look out on: from the top end of the field in question, it might be nicer to look at nice new houses rather than the ramshackle shanty-town like buildings that are currently on view! |
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| micky |
Why does the owner of the land not get any blame ?, why is it the builders or Bradford council who get all the blame ?. |
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| Mickyfinn |
Some of you guys need a reality check. The town's infrastructure is already beyond full capacity whether you like this or not. To blindly believe that everything will be resolved is a pipedream. |
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| dogcatcher |
hey fatbob on your bike,ps have you fixed it yet???? |
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| fatbob |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) To be honest I don't give a stuff that they are local or not. In fact being 'local' wouldn't you think they would have more concern for their own local environment? and fill up the brown field sites. I'm not sure where the person was looking re: ramshackle buildings, personally I would rather look out onto a perfect meadow than brick boxes like No1 Middleway now has in her back garden. The destruction of these small green field sites does nothing for the number of new houses Bradford demand. I'm not having a go at the people who work on the sites - in fact I admire their skills, it's the developer who makes the decisions, where to build and what to build, I just think sometimes those decisions need to be questioned. I am very passionate about the rural environment and the need to protect it, that's all. |
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| gut.c.bin |
i lived on aireville drive years ago when they built middleway,so now you will know how it felt like for us loosing our green fields at the back,to a load of unwanted bungalows!!!!!!! '  '); |
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| midway |
The view from no1  |
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| midway |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) And where are the ramshackle buildings,  |
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| dogcatcher |
quotehey fatbob on your bike,ps have you fixed it yet???? hi fatbob thought you were the other fatbob owner on middleway,who broke down last week'  '); |
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| fatbob |
quote quotehey fatbob on your bike,ps have you fixed it yet???? hi fatbob thought you were the other fatbob owner on middleway,who broke down last week' ');That's ok no it's not me I don't live on middleway anyway. No problem. |
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| Franky |
Midway: i said the view from the top end of the field, not a 7 year old photo. The ramshackle, shanty-town like buildings i mentioned are Middleway itself. I would suggest to anybody to walk up Backlands lane, along the dog-walkers footpath at the end and look down the "perfect meadow" in question. The row of houses whose back gardens back onto the field are all different from each other, with different garages, conservatories, some paved, some not, some sky-light windows, some dormer windows, nothing matching at all. It's a mess of out dated shabby looking buildings. After seeing the plans that Midway posted on another thread, i know which i would rather look down onto, and it's certainly not what is currently on view. And i shall repeat myself, why is this different from when Middleway was built? A guy who used to live on Aireville Drive has posted saying that this was the same thing. |
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| Franky |
Pardon me, should say Banklands Lane, not Backlands. |
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| ginjo |
I am shocked at that photograph, how on earth can this be within the planning rules? the planners should not have allowed this style of house, ok permit development if you must but this is taking the mick, cannot something be done about it, surely single storey houses should have been put there, did anyone fight the council over this, did an inspector get involved? If it is within planning law it is still a very insensitive thing to do and the developers should hang their heads in shame |
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| Peter |
x-ref www.silsden.net/forum/philboard_read.asp?id=6209 and x-ref www.silsden.net/forum/philboard_read.asp?id=6133 |
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| midway |
Franky please help me out, try as i may i can't photograph the entire length of the backs of the bungalows on Middleway , i can only see part of, from Drabble house field ( field used by sil, Rangers ) if your view is better and you are able to photo the entire length of the backs of the bungalows please post the picture. or send me the photo and I 'll post it for you at middygh@gmail.com thank you. |
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| Franky |
Sorry Midway, I think I would have to trespass to get the photo you want. As I said, walk along the dog-walkers footpath at the end of Banklands Lane. There are 2 bungalows at the top of the field. Whenever I walk my dogs on that footpath I can see around the bungalows at the buildings I have described. It's quite easy once you try. |
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| fatbob |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteI am shocked at that photograph, how on earth can this be within the planning rules? the planners should not have allowed this style of house, ok permit development if you must but this is taking the mick, cannot something be done about it, surely single storey houses should have been put there, did anyone fight the council over this, did an inspector get involved? If it is within planning law it is still a very insensitive thing to do and the developers should hang their heads in shame I agree, this is the kind of developer we are dealing with, one who puts profit before the local people, obviously someone with no morals or feelings for residents who have got to live with this eye sore. Thanks go to Midway for publicising this obscenity |
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| midway |
Just to explain the fatbob confusion by doggy. a bit of an odd name, that's one on the transporter. the bike, not the chap pushing it.  |
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| old_miner |
Always blaming someone else. Developers, ie house builders. Council, they are Labour so no chance. Land owner for selling. Silsden votes Tory. Government is Tory. So not there fault!! Plenty of people need reality checks. |
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| gazzer |
Is anybody suggesting we dont need new houses???.We do and always have done and always do. The questions are about quantity and sustainable housing. Bradford Council dont get that the infrastructure is at breaking point.So we will get far too many houses built in the short term.We all know the sewers,the energy(electric),the transport,the employment side of things are not upto the job. I have been around for over half a century and in all that time education facilities have struggled to keep up. Short term answers like bits of extensions and temp buildings have been provided. I was in a builing in the school yard at Aire View in the 1960's. Silsden Urban District Council knew this problem and planned to build a new school. Its now 40 years since Bradford Council took over from Silsden UDC and still nothing. Its not just the Tories to blame as some claim because both national Government and Bradford Council have at various times seen Labour,Tory or coalitions in charge.It just seems Silsden is frozen out due to its position on the fringe of Bradford. What do they get paid for at Bradford Council's planning dept because they do not do any forward planning. |
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| Happywalker |
Unfortunately you are spot on. Short sightedness and no forward planning. Building more houses is the "in thing" at the moment, planning rules have been relaxed, and there is money to be made out of it.... a lot of money. There is no money to be made in providing the infrastructure, providing local school places or protecting the environment. Building is even going ahead in places where planning permission has yet to be agreed.Grab the money and run, leave the subsequent issues for the next generation to be faced with. |
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| old_miner |
You are right. NIMBYs are not against New housing, so long as it is somewhere else. I have yet to see a technical explanation as to why the local infrastructure is not up to the job. |
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| gazzer |
quoteYou are right. NIMBYs are not against New housing, so long as it is somewhere else. I have yet to see a technical explanation as to why the local infrastructure is not up to the job. old_miner Website Member Posts : 669 Website Member 15/03/2016 : 17:16:17 reply with quote Obviously all needs replacing with higher capacity sewers |
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| gazzer |
quote I have yet to see a technical explanation as to why the local infrastructure is not up to the job. 1 Belle Vue Square Broughton Road SKIPTON North Yorkshire BD23 1FJ Telephone: 01756 700600 e-mail: sbrown@cravendc.gov.uk Please address correspondence on this matter to: Stephen Brown Date:20th February 2012 Dear Sir / Madam, Re: Bradford Core Strategy DPD: Further Engagement Draft Consultation “…there is a particular concern by the Environment Agency relating to new development potentials within the catchments of the Aire Valley trunk sewer. This sewer collects the foul drainage from the areas of Kildwick, Glusburn, Cross Hills Sutton-on-Craven, Steeton and Silsden and now is at or near its capacity. As a result there is a risk that the sewer can overflow which will have a negative impact on the amenity of the area and also pose a risk to human health. There is an additional risk that the sewage may enter a watercourse and cause damage to the aquatic environment.” We would therefore recommend that the proposed housing growth at Silsden and Steeton with Eastburn be planned and phased to take place after essential upgrading of the Aire Valley trunk sewer. We propose arranging a meeting between planning officers of our two authorities and Yorkshire Water on the matter of the future upgrading of the sewer. I trust you find the above comments useful and look forward to further cooperation between our two authorities on local development strategies. Yours faithfully Stephen Brown Principal Planning Officer Craven District Council |
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| old_miner |
Fair enough. A bit short on the technical but at least a record of risk. Obviously the solution is to dig up the Aire valley and upgrade the sewer. A bit of a mess for a while but like the water and gas mains laid in recent years, where are they now. However, one big argument against new housing is lost. In fact an incentive to build more than initially planned. Build a bypass/relief road and there you have it, Silsden doubles in size. Be careful what you wish for. |
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| gazzer |
Silsden WILL double in size with or without a new sewer,bypass or school. |
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| Happywalker |
The country has an ever growing population. We will therefore need more homes, more schools, and a whole new infrastructure to support it. With that will come new business opportunities and the creation of jobs. There will need to be new roads and transport links to support these. There is a real case to create some more "new" towns in the country, modern towns built with all of the above in mind. You cannot just keep adding on and adding on to existing small towns. The infrastructure was simply not built to support that, and to do so is extremely short sighted. Built some new towns which from their very beginning have longterm growth and expansion in mind. |
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| ginjo |
new towns are being built definitely round the Peterborough area, cannot remember where else but 6000 + near Peterborough. The problem is what type of houses, we have an ageing population, they don't want or need big detached houses, nor do single young people.The wrong sort of houses are always built in all the wrong places |
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| Happywalker |
A fair point. If you as an individual recognise this, and if you were in charge of planning the development of a " new" town would address this matter, why is it that it planners can't see that too? If addressed, the arguement for "new" towns remain. |
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