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Topic : BRADFORD WANT TO SELL LIBRARY & WESLEY PLACE TO BUILD HOUSES |
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| Peter |
BRADFORD WANT TO SELL LIBRARY & WESLEY PLACE TO BUILD HOUSES Well this could be the result of the proposal by Brad Met to refurbish the Town Hall and provide disabled access  But they don't really want to tell you about selling off this valuable bit of community land, preferring to gloss over the fact the Town Hall maintenance has been neglected for years and it's not really suitable to be made disabled compliant. MEETING WED 7 NOV, 7.00pm TOWN HALL - SILSDEN NEIGHBOURHOOD FORUM [silsden.net/town_council/docs_12/12_events/neighbourhood_forum_7nov2012.pdf Be there and have YOUR say. X-ref www.silsden.net/forum/philboard_read.asp?id=4444 |
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| ginjo |
how do you know this peter, the links you have shown don't mention anything about houses.I would definiteley be against that unfortunately I cannot make the meeting and I bet a lot of other people can't either hopefully the town council will forcefully speak out on behalf of silsden residents |
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| Peter |
Silsden Town Council 11 Sept 2012 Planning Meeting Minutes: www.silsden.net/town_council/docs_12/12_planning/STC_meeting_mins_(asset_management)_Sept2012.pdf In the general discussion at this meeting it was suggested by Nigel Gillat BMDC Asset management that the ground would be sold for housing. When pointed out that the Memorial was adjacent to the library he said "Of course the planning would have to be sympathetic to the area, and the recycle bins would be found a new area". The following was my recollections of that meeting: This was a deferred STC planning meeting so minutes of this meeting will not be published until they have been ratified which will be at the planning next month. I went along as a member of the public and what I heard made me very angry. About 10 members of the public turned up, none of which appeared to be from the local thespians and history group (the people who voted it to be such a wonderful idea to sell off the library in order to repair Silsden Town Hall). Asset Management (now renamed to... I can't remember) outlined their plan which was to sell off the land for housing which the library currently occupies and also Wesley Place. It was stated this would have to be sensitive build because of the proximity of the War Memorial. When asked about the waste collection point this was dismissed with "Bradford will find somewhere to put them" The money realised from the sell-off of this valuable Silsden asset (land which is level, close to the centre of Silsden with an adjacent car park, which could be developed into a community building with easy disabled access) - estimated to be worth £300K would be put towards outstanding maintenance of the Town Hall. I have probably got these following figures wrong but they close, The Town Hall has: £185K of outstanding repairs required (there was no breakdown of what they were) Cost £20K/year to run Receipts from hire = £16K (there no breakdown of how the Town Hall was used) It was presented as the sell-off of the library and the refurbishment of the Town Hall was the best thing since sliced bead. The library would be moved to the council chambers, this is quite a small room on the ground floor. The front is all windows, so not many books on that side! There would only be a part-time librarian, so the library would become self service, and only open when there was someone to open the library. The large room upstairs would be refurbished and the stage modified for the thespians. The biggest problem is the requirement for disabled access, the entrance has to be changed to accommodate mobility cart access. Vehicles cannot park outside the Town Hall. There would need to be a disabled lift to the upper floor and disabled toilets. Fire escape for disabled in the event of a fire is very dubious because there is very limited rear access. The Bradford Estate Manager assured us they had worked out the feasibility and the cost on the back of a fag packet and it was "all doable" All of these modifications WILL make less usable space and the building cannot be used for many activities because of the lack of parking near to the entrance for loading and unloading. We suggested they stop wasting our money and do a proper disabled access assessment before going any further. The meeting was on a relatively "quiet" night in the Town Hall, only a few people crashing around upstairs and not the usual loud music and stomping next door. I would like to remind you the above is my own opinion and a personal view of this proposal. |
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| gazzer |
Bradford Council have got rid of almost all the assets owned, including all the former council houses, bar the library and former over 55's building on Wesley Place. I asked Bradford Council prior to the last meeting for a list of assets sold and where the money went.This was the answer; "Dear Sir, Your recent enquiry has been passed to me for a response. I’m not involved in any meeting in Silsden so I don’t know when it is or what it is about, but what you have requested is a massive task and given our increasing lack of resources I need to be sure of exactly what you are trying to achieve and that we have time to do the work. I look forward to hearing from you in due course. Thanks," I did reply but no further reply was forthcoming. |
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| skippy |
we need as many members of the public there to show support  either for bfd nicking the money(as disabled access is not possible as my architect pals tell me)or the arts and history groups whom i belive, all wear rose coloured glasses. whatever group or whatever opinion you have please attend, once assets are sold the money gets lost in that big hole that is bradford. I am saying this as an individual not as your mayor please attend and stop bfd from further asset stripping of silsden to make bfd look betterif thats possible |
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| Golden Oldie |
As the afore said buildings are a Silsden Asset, would any monies made from the sale go towards Silsden ammenities, or into a pot for future use by S.T.C.Or would it go into the bottomless pit called Bradford? |
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| grandad |
Unfortunately I will not be able to attend this meeting due to working. If somebody could ask a couple of questions for me it would be great. 1) Why the big rush to do this now? 2) Is this idea one which really came from Silsden residents or Bradford councillors? 3) If it is our ward councillor’s idea, are they not our elected represents; who should be asking us what we want, then doing their best to support us? 4) Or is it a case of sour grapes? With somebody trying to get their own back on the residents of Silsden for the result of the last election? |
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| FIELD |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) I have three little words to say on this one - Bradfords' Central Pond. Another "white elephant" on offer! Yes, The Town Hall does need to be modernised. The representatives made it clear, that BMDC are, in fact, breaking the law with the current lack of disabled access on both properties. The quoted sum of £300,000 will not rectify half of the issues. It was blatantly clear, to anyone with eyes in their heads, that car parking is an issue in Silsden. BMDC are still prepared to effectively cut the parking space in town!!!!!! It was stated that the Lirary and current buildings in Wesley Place would not be sold until the refurbishment works where completed. Personally, I do not believe that for one minute. If the buildings are genuinely as bad as BMDC would have the community believe, how are the buildings going to be sold? No financial institution would provide backing! Where would the current recycling facilities be relocated to? Downtown Keighley, Ilkley? They have only a matter of weeks, to either shelve this plan, or push ahead with it and force it through. Consultation - not a chance! |
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| aflac99 |
Surely the plans have to go to public consultation i have it on good authority that the town council has not seen these plans either also the disabled access to the town hall is virtualy impossible also if there is access does that mean there will be a mobility scooter car park inside the town hall? |
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| FIELD |
I would suggest that anyone favouring the proposal made by BMDC, should take a look at Bradford City Centre, look at the amount of derelict buildings, landmarks, listed buildings etc. They have spent several million pounds and still have a bomb site on their hands!! The afore mentioned pond, is nothing more than a tip for passers by. I am no saying that BMDC can solely be held responsible for the financial state of the region, but hey vertainly haven't spent money in the right areas! As Skippy says, it is a "black hole"! If you go down towards the Alhambra Theatre, empty business units outnumber the units that are still in business, the place is heavily littered and is generally an eyesore. Taking all this into account, would you really trust BMDC to deliver on this? |
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| gazzer |
Just a thought why dont the community look at running the library and car park.It only costs £90 to think about it and the council cant sell the land until 6 months are up if it turns out to be not feasable. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10029970.___Right_to_bid____rules_agreed_by_Bradford_Council/ |
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| gazzer |
I see the council are spending £1.5m on a council building in Bradford without pretending they need to sell off a building for the same amount to pay for it. Its only in Silsden that happens. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10027906.Bradford_Council_unveils___1_5m_city_centre_office_plan/ Also the Council are spending £17m on Bradford city centre but nothing for us unless we sell the assets first |
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| skippy |
peter youve gone quiet |
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| Peter |
ummmm, it's just the selfishness of people that only look at the near future and not to the long term future of Silsden.  Will future generations thank us when there are a lack of amenities in the centre of Silsden? Will we be proud to say we sold off land where the library once was and the adjacent Wesley Place - where those houses are now! ... and for what? A Town Hall refurbishment which has disabled access, but nobody in a wheelchair can use it because they can't get a vehicle close enough to unload and if they can get in they feel unsafe because the fire escape is dodgy. But it has a stage, pity it's only used once a year and the changing rooms take up so much space that it can't be used for other functions. The library and Wesley Place could be developed into so much more for the community - don't let Bradford sell it off to developers. As they say 'WHEN IT'S GONE IT'S GONE' |
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| dexter |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) If you are looking to long term amenities of value to Silsden, it might have been better to locate the new Health Centre where the library site is. If you look at the one at Haworth, it also has some housing, weekend parking for visitors, and is very central to the town. It would have suited the elderly as well, who could go straight to the chemist afterwards for prescriptions etc. Maybe there is a lack of long term vision, with pet projects taking centre stage, but this is what politics brings....lots of short term action, no long term vision for the country or the community. And you could have had a new sports centre at the site of the Health Centre for the younsters and others to enjoy. |
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| bandnwire |
quoteummmm, it's just the selfishness of people that only look at the near future and not to the long term future of Silsden. Will future generations thank us when there are a lack of amenities in the centre of Silsden? Will we be proud to say we sold off land where the library once was and the adjacent Wesley Place - where those houses are now! ... and for what? A Town Hall refurbishment which has disabled access, but nobody in a wheelchair can use it because they can't get a vehicle close enough to unload and if they can get in they feel unsafe because the fire escape is dodgy. But it has a stage, pity it's only used once a year and the changing rooms take up so much space that it can't be used for other functions. The library and Wesley Place could be developed into so much more for the community - don't let Bradford sell it off to developers. As they say 'WHEN IT'S GONE IT'S GONE' |
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| HB |
just a thought to throw into the put! at the meeting a month a go, the council said they would do an asset transfer after the work was completed. selling the library and weasely place to pay for it. taking a hit if cost more than the redevelopment cost. would the council and the town council consider a asste transfere of the job lot prior to any work and we have a 'freinds of silsden' or sometning trust set up to run and maintain the buildings. possibly leasing areas to busineses. and gaining some funds from the precept. just a thought. |
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| grandad |
My old dad used to say if somebody offers you a carrot! Look hard for the piece of string, nothing come without attachments, and when it comes to offers from Bradford; and especially a well known local councillor this applies in spades!!!! |
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| skippy |
which councillor grandad is it the tory ward councillor by any chance |
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| aflac99 |
could be  |
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| Peter |
Please keep to the subject. |
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| grandad |
Skippy, I will leave the choice up to you, and the rest of Silsden residents, I have no intention of starting a slanging match on here, time will tell who has the best interests of the whole of Silsden in mind. Talk's cheap; I am only interested in the right kind of actions, Silsden lost far to much in 1974, lets not make the same mistake again. |
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| skippy |
here here grandad |
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| window |
This is relevant. The City Of Bradford metropolitan District Council are in Common Purpose. See post General Chat/ cameron/ widow at 23/02/2013 : 22:44:47 |
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| Peter |
.......... and Bradford don't want to show the plans for the Town Hall refurbishment, until it's too late, and they would like to keep the sell off of Wesley Place VERY quiet... a stitch up if every I saw one .. we need to ask the questions and demand answers.... www.silsden.net/town_council/docs_13/13_meetings/STC_meeting_agenda_Mar2013.pdf |
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| ginjo |
so who is nigel gillat? why is he holding a meeting in keighley and not in silsden? presume he is not a silsden town councillor so how did he become in charge of this did anyone put his name forward and vote for him? I have personally never heard of him but I do think that any meetings about silsden should be held in silsden!! |
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| window |
Peter --- “a stitch up if every I saw one .. we need to ask the questions and demand answers –“ I agree with you, a stitch up. Ginjo --- Nigel Gillat is in BMDC and is in the Asset Management Team (Asset Manager Research & Development Department of Regeneration and Culture) BMDC said that they had no money for Silsden, (Minutes Of The Meeting Of Silsden Town Council In The Meeting Room, Silsden Town Hall On 11th Sept 2012) but strangely they had enough money to enable Mr. Nigel Gillat on behalf of BMDC, in July 2012, to apply for and receive planning permission to build new premises to house the Manningham One Stop Shop, which provides, “Information on council services including housing/council tax benefit, social services, housing, environmental protection and planning and the youth service. Also provides information on statutory and voluntary sector agencies/local services and on local job vacancies.” Source :- www.planning4bradford.com/onlineapplications/files/EB36BCE7011F978B74F13BEEAC92EDF1/pdf/12_02763_FUL-DECISION_NOTICE-3586994.pdf 52 people in BMDC are in Common Purpose having gone on a “ Matrix” course. They are all listed here www.cpexposed.com/search/node/Bradford%20metropolitan%20council and see www.cpexposed.com/ |
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| window |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) Just for future reference, should you need it: ---- If you go to, www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/council_land and scroll down to the letter from Diane Hill on the 2 feb 2013. in there you will see Land Freehold 02.02.12 v1.0.xls 1.1M Download View as HTML which is a “full list with addresses of land owned by the City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council including all land currently leased to other organizations/companies.” |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
Nigel Gillat is the BMDC monkey that attended the meeting in November. He is accountable for the budgeting for this project if my memory serves me well. I can't remember his specific title. It doesn't bode well, when he hasn't fullfilled his promise to keep everyone informed of progress. So far, he has revealed SFA! |
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| Peter |
If you want to know about the plans to refurbish the Town Hall go to the Silsden Town Council Meeting tonight 7 March 2013, 7.30pm THE AGENDA www.silsden.net/town_council/docs_13/13_meetings/STC_meeting_agenda_Mar2013.pdf |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
There is nothing in the agenda to say that Nigel Gillat or any other BMDC representatives will actually turn up to the meeting! I find it interesting though that he states that the inaugural meeting of the steering group is on the 18th of March at 1700, with further meetings on the 21st (1700) and 27th (1700) of March. All three meetings are planned to be held in Keighley, not Silsden! I find it disturbing that there has been nothing for the last couple of months, yet all of a sudden there are four meetings (including the STC meeting) planned in just under two weeks relating to the Town Hall. Why the sudden rush? I am going to make a point of attending the meeting tonight. |
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| canread |
Please note that Nigel Gillatt has stated in an email since the agenda was published that "I do not propose to come to another Town Council meeting to discuss the proposals as I am happy with the political mandate supporting the proposals" . He has also asked the TC, by letter today for their room requirements so that work can commence on site in May and the building will be closed for approximately 12 weeks. |
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| Peter |
......... and this will all be paid for by the sell off of the library and Wesley Place which will be sold off for housing. The steering group will meet in Keighley so the disabled advisers will not even see the Town Hall but just the plans. Go to the STC meeting tonight and see for yourself how we are being stitched up.. |
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| bandnwire |
I am away on respite care for 2 weeks, but have still been following this closely. I am not surprised on the outcome of this, but am sickened. I had been hoping that we could have somewhere to go to socialise for a couple of hours, I am not one for going in pubs(even if I could get in one). My husband will be at the meeting so I am sure he will have a lot to tell me. |
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| gazzer |
Its all a bit dubious. Makes you wonder if there is a kick back somewhere. For instance has the building work on the Town Hall gone out to tender. Can the Town Council get an independent valuation of the land which will be sold and ensure it is marketed openly and fairly. |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
It is more than apparent that it is a done deal. No consultation, no surveys, no input from any user groups, no looking at feasibility reports. Three meetings scheduled over the next week and a half! When this bum deal goes through, the town hall will not be fit for anything, The Christmas market will have to relocate, the rooms will become unsuitable for most functions/parties etc. If the Wesley Place buildings are as bad as they state, then how do they expect to sell them. The library has various planning issues related to it. The capped figure of £300,000 is an issue in itself! |
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