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Topic : Silsden is a dying community |
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| Beta girl |
Did anyone attend the meeting regarding the Sykes Lane development last night? Did you know we are a dying community and that we are not filling the school places! This is the Bradford view not mine. Perhaps we need to address the rumours that Silsden children are not going to be entitled to Secondary Education at South Craven. I was always told that South Craven was built for the Children of Silsden and surrounding Villages ie Steeton, Kildwick etc. |
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| alan |
South Craven was built for the kids of Silsden, among others as you suggest. Over a third of the school are kids from Silsden, and will continue to be! The school could not exist without them! |
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| grandad |
Bradfoed will say anything if they can get more house built in Silsden, then they can take even more away in council taxes to pay for the center of Bradford |
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| Beta girl |
Alan, thanks for confirming the South Craven status, however on a serious note I am aware that a number of people are moving out of Silsden because of this "Rumour" equally people (families) are reluctant to move into Silsden again because of the "rumour". I know we don't want more new houses because of the knock on effect it has on the existing issues /problems, although we do want Silsden to be a place people want to move to. After all there are many positives for moving to Silsden aren't there? |
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| alan |
These "rumours" constantly do the rounds. The situation is that Silsden is in the catchment area for South Craven. If you make South Craven your first choice, you get the kids on. South Craven School will not change that! |
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| alan |
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| alan |
These "rumours" constantly do the rounds. The situation is that Silsden is in the catchment area for South Craven. If you make South Craven your first choice, you get the kids in. South Craven School will not change that! But we must be vigilant that Bradford do not change that! |
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| clogger |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) I have lived in Silsden all my life for 36 years. Only now I have startd to look elsewhere. The fact we seem to move nearer to Keighley each day, The stark differences from Keighley to Silsden and then on to Addingham. New Houses and the chaos of not only getting out of Silsden but travelling for work planning anyway around other than Bradford. Silsden has/is changing and unfortunatly not for the better Kids sit in groups of 20 at night drinking alchol bought from the local shop, Most of us know which shop but we do nothing excpet raid the coop ! The local drugs dealer stands at the top of our road twice a week, Not Tuesdays(see below) And the moor road to Riddlesden has recived a fly tipper who spreads his wares for yards down the road, probabley due to the new rules at Keighley Tip for traders And we have a part time pretend policeman that you see on a Tuesday afternoon, I'm not knocking him hes simply doing the best he can This is the new silsden that houses are being built in - Does it sound familiar to somewhere not 4 miles from here ? The old agreement about South Craven was that they were once going to build Silsden a school of our own but the decision was made for all to go to South Craven instead. Do one half of Silsden still pay busfares and is it still split by the main street ? Bradfords council are a crying shame as far as silsden goes and i for one no longer want my children to be a part of new silsden and all that goes with it. I used to laugh at the word "offcumdens" Its that name thats brought silsden to its kness along with our friendly Bradford council. Just my opinion and arguing wont change it, I done expect all to agree but not all have seen 36yrs of it. Reading that they are cutting 15 school places and building 129 new houses amongst others speaks for itself. |
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| chaz |
ive seen 46 years and totally agree with you silsden seems to be a dumping ground for bradford planning dept, build more and more new houses draw the revenue and spend it anywhere but silsden |
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| chaz |
by the way land up daisy hill was origionally compulsary purchased by the council TO BUILD A SCHOOL FOR SILSDEN guess what? ther are now 80 houses planned for that site |
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| alan |
Instead of complaining about Silsden why don't you get up and do something about it? We vote the same old party in as our Bradford District councillors every time, why? Do we even think about why we do it? I doubt it. The kids got off their backsides and formed the Youth Council and got themselves a trial park. Why don't the adults? The kids showed you all the way. We complain about our kids going to South Craven, how many parents even bother to put themselves up for the governors? How many governors represent the interest of Silsden kids at South Craven? The answer is ONE! A third of the kids are from Silsden, we should be ashamed of ourselves. That isn't the schools fault or Bradfords fault, that's YOUR fault! I chose to live in Silsden twenty years ago because it's a great little town, it still is! We have some excellent shops, do we support them, NO! Get off your backsdes and support Silsden, do summat for the town, support local businesses, and then you'll realise what an excellent town we have. |
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| phill |
Well said Alan its up to all of us , instead of moanng come down to the council meetings and have your say |
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| chaz |
you can have your say till your blue in the face its not silsden we,re moaning about it,s the way bradford treat silsden .Quite a lot of people filled in the 2001 survey 87% said no more new housing in silsden did they listen "ithink not" in the inspectors report for UDP he said we don,t need a byepass and that was the only recommendation the the council agreed with with all the extra revenue they are getting from silsden wouldn,t you think they could afford to fund the cctv we asked for but they said no |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) "chaz" that's the point! Unless we tell Bradford and DO something about it we'll always be treated the same. Those that make the effort will get something done. It's no use complaining that we filled a survey in in 2001 and they don't take any notice of it. Silsdeners need to stand up for the town! Tell me, if we aren't happy with the way Bradford treats us do we never vote for another party, or even an independant Silsdener? Why do we constantly listen to rumours and worry about our children not going to South Craven and yet no one wants to be parent governors in the town? Only one word answer needed - APATHY! At least the kids have done something for themselves and formed the Youth Council! Let's hope the next generation has more initiative than us, I've a feeling they're gonna need it the way this country is going! |
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| Rugby Widow |
Clogger said - I used to laugh at the word "offcumdens" Its that name thats brought Silsden to its kness along with our friendly Bradford council. I'm an offcomeden. I'm guilty of living in a newbuild house on land Silsdeners/Cobbydalers played on as children. But you know what? I found out that Cobbydalers, with typical directness, will tell you your house should never have been built and there are too many people moving into Silsden. Then they still welcome you with a smile into their community. I found out what a beautiful and unique place Silsden is, it's architecture and the surroundings. I learnt a lot about Silsden's facinating history. I may not be lucky enough to have been born here, but I've grown passionate about where I have put down my roots. So now I get involved with the local schools. I work with local youth groups. I do my bit to make sure the best of Silsden is retained for future generations. Maybe I'm prepared to fight for Silsden because I chose to be here, rather than by accident of birth? Or maybe I'm just repaying the inherent warmth & kindess of Cobbydalers by being prepared to fight their corner? So to Cobbydalers, from an Offcumdon, if Silsden was better in the old days, take action to preserve what you have and restore what you can. Regain your pride in Silsden. |
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| alan |
Well said "Rugby Widow" from another "offcumden"! We chose to live here, and I for one am very glad I did! I think it's a cracking place to live, and so do my kids who were born here! Those that don't like the place, try living in Manchester, Leeds, of Bradford, then see how fast they want to get back! |
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| phill |
3rd offcumden speaking, i have lived here for 23 years, my grandparents lived here and we love Silsden, my children were both bor here, I am active in the community with pta etc and think we hold Silsden destiny in our own hands, don't just sit and moan, DO, DO AND DO |
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| clogger |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) As said Its my opinion, Some obvioulsy think its harsh But no where near as harsh as "Accident of birth" Its no accident love... I'll take it on the chin i could do more but rightly or wrongly the council seems a fairly tightly nit community and to be honest with their expertise they cant move Bradford i dont think i can offer much to move them ! I agree as said Manchester, Bradford and all that but gone are they days i will let my kids play in the park under the age of 10 at dusk like i did and no longer feel comfortably myself walking the streets of silsden late at night, but there again there was a time i walked up Lawkholme lane at night As per previous stereotyping posts, I use Silsden tradesmen i vote for whoever lives in Silsden and i would buy my fruit and veg from one of the local fruit & veg shops like i used to do but we havn't got one. Other than that i dont need a wedding dress or a womans haircut, and can only eat one take away per night Finally its not just "Apathy", Its Trust & Faith(or lack of it) |
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| Rugby Widow |
Sorry Clogger. I certainly didn't mean to offend. Like you, I have been thinking about what's happening to Silsden and what I hear people saying around the place. Your reference to Offcumdens just had me wanting to "put pen to paper". If Silsden feels our voices are not listened to by our council and Bradford is too remote from our issues, what can we do? Can someone explain, in laymans terms, how we can help Silsdeners to shout? What is the "political" process for getting our opinions heard and action taken? If I wanted to get something sorted, and I couldn't do it all by myself, I would talk to the people who can. We are a diverse community with many skills. Are some of the issues close to our hearts ones we can resolve by team work, maybe funded by grants and fundraising? What if we said to the council "This issue needs to be resolved", we expect you to contribute your expertise and backing. If we do not get your support, then it will confirm our lack of confidence in "due process" but it will not stop us doing what we deem necessary for Silsden. In my parents generation, if the village hall needed building, they raised the funds, even built it themselves. If something needed sprucing up where the whole village benefited, then a team got together and it got done. Perhaps we might not be getting our fair share of our "taxes" back to the community, but we would get the job done and gain pride from that. Do we have a "Town/village commitee" I simply don't know. (I don't mean elected politicians)And if there is, why is it that I don't know about it? Maybe our councilers provide the same service? Again, I don't know so I can't expect everyone else in Silsden to. I know there were Christmas lights commitees and Litter pick ups organisers and the poorly supported Gala commitee. Are these groups entirely separate entities, or alternatively , made up of the same determined people everytime? As you can tell, I'm getting riled up. I am sure there are many other people in Silsden who, while they might not agree with everything I say, want the best for Silsden. Can we not build on that. Get support, go public, hit the streets and knock on doors, involve everybody who was just waiting to be asked... |
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| alan |
'Rugby Widow' there are lots of places people can have their say and do their bit for Silsden. For instance, just a few, the Town Council - see info on this website. School governors - Aire View, Hothfield, and South Craven. That's without the various committess for churches etc etc. South Craven has something like six hundred or so kids from Silsden and currently only ONE governor representing the parents of Silsden. This isn't Bradfords fault, South Cravens fault, but ours! As for 'cloggers; comments about shops, I must live in a different town! I buy my papers, VEG, hardware, pet food, fishing tackle, haircuts (MALE), banking, building society, etc etc in the town. AND it's pleasant to shop because we know a lot of the shopkeepers and people walking round the town. Try that in Keighley, Leeds, Bradford, or Manchester. You get out of the town whatever you put in! |
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| Rugby Widow |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Alan, I'm not contradicting that there are places to have a say or do good works. Indeed, I am involved in some myself. I'm not looking for an argument. I would like to know if these organisations talk to each other. I would also genuinely like someone to tell me what the role of the Town Council is, without refering me to the minutes, please. The minutes assume you understand the way the council works. I suspect I am not the only one who does not know what the Town Council does for us, in simple terms. Please educate me?! Secondly, I would say again, would more people contribute, either as a volunteer or with an opinion if they were asked directly, rather than an asumption made that they are "apathetic"? People are generally comfortable with the thought that they are not needed until someone says "Actually, I could really do with YOUR help with this" Finally, I will admit I will not be helping to solve the aging population issue at the start of this thread, even if asked in person. I've given Silsden two new Cobbydalers and that's enough for me, thanks! :o) |
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| clogger |
this post has been edited 3 time(s) I agree with Rugby widow, If you want help, support, Petitions Just ask !! When ever the topic of the silsden or Bradford council is mentioned on this site in a negative light things get a bit prickly on here from certain Individuals There is a sense of cloudy grey that probably more than me find the whole council thing a bit confusing Shooting everyone down with the same answer - "come to the council meetings" can get tiring No one mentioned the usual South Craven debate I really am sorry i posted my own views on here I thought it was a site to express how one feels, Obviously not ! If this is how a council meeting is run im probably best of keeping away, I get the feeling the site is policed by the council, Is this the case ? Posting my views on here are bad enough, Id expect to be stoned at a meeting No one was having a go at Silsden Council, All i was saying is that Silsden isn't the same Silsden it was 10 years ago Going on about how you can buy vegetables is bewildering to be honest Facts are when i was 15 i didnt walk the streets drinking illegally bought alchol I didnt sit in graveyards doing drugs people didnt dump there waste on our very beautiful moorland The main roads around Silsden and Keighly were not as busy and we had a Police station where when you rang them they came out the same day ! Now when you do your research you dont have to be stupid to realise these issues are being chased by Silsden Council, Its nothing new but little seems to happen If you want a cobbydale march then just say as Rugby widow said if Bradford wont help us why cant we do it ourselves involving us means asking us not presuming APATHY Im not posting anything else on the matter as getting flamed by council men and blinkered supporters on the internet is not really my thing Obviously the Offcumdum thing is more sensative than i thought to some of you for that i appologise For many years it was drilled into me from a young age "Your not a true Cobbydaler untill you have lived here 25 years" I have ! and for that im bloody proud of it Just One of our old long forgotten Silsden values and thats what the old men of Silsden kept telling me when i was in shorts looking upto them Them were the days |
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| Peter |
To Clogger and ALL users of this messageboard. This messageboard is open to all people and run as a service to the Silsden Community. Any views posted here are views of the individual poster. This site and message board is not run, or owned, by the Town Council. Members of The Town Council members have no more access to the messages than any other individuals. Not everyone wishes, or has the time, to become a councillor but they do need our support and thoughts. Putting your ideas into this forum is a way of giving feedback to our councillors without the danger of committing yourself to the council process. Peter (silsden.net) BTW I am not a member of the Town Council |
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| Rugby Widow |
Thanks Clogger. And thanks Peter for explaining the unbiased position of the message board. Just one thing though. You said "a way of giving feedback to our councillors without the danger of committing yourself to the council process." DANGER ! Now I'm worried :o) |
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| Peter |
Rugby Widow, I think we all have been to meetings and ended up on the committee..... |
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| Ron_stewart |
I read some of the debates on here with interest, and some puzzlement. But don't understand why people need 'asking' to do something for the town. Why can't you make the decision to do it yourself, and find out for yourself? It's a free country if you want to do something for the town do it, nobody is going to knock on your door to ask you! |
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| grandad |
Ron Stewrt, you have hit the nail on the head. Anybody who really cares about Silsden shouldn't nead to be asked to do anything; they should be out there asking if anybody in the Town neads there help. talk is cheap, there are lots of good causes out in silsden, if you don't know where they are ask at the library or at the community comtact point held in the townhall every wednesday between 15.00 & 17.00hrs, there are even some on this web site. I am not a betting man but I will be very surprised if any of the contributers to this site turn up in november to help erect this years chtistmas lights, or much else for that matter. |
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| alan |
Spot on "Ron" and "Grandad". Sadly, don't think you'll need the crowd barriers! BUT, there is always the Christmas Lights they could volunteer for and the new dog mess campaign! |
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| Rugby Widow |
I am asking to be shot down for this :o) but... Quoting Ron "It's a free country if you want to do something for the town do it, nobody is going to knock on your door to ask you!" While I agree that if you feel strongly, you should do something, why does that not include knocking on someone's door to ask for help, if that's what it takes? I've done voluntary recruitment before now and sometimes the best person for the role is the one that thinks they don't have much to contribute (or doesn't want to mess with clique)! Grandad - You are right, I for one will not be helping with the lights this year. Partly for the reasons given above. It doesn't mean I won't be doing my bit for other causes not quite so close to your heart. Will you accept the 10 hours I give each week to the other Silsden causes slightly closer to my heart? And if you feel taking steps to civic responsibility is easy, perhaps you would like to take the time to come and talk about it to one of my youth groups? You would be very welcome. :o) |
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| alan |
Perhaps "Rugby Widow" that in exchange for "Grandad" talking to one of your youth groups that you would go along to the town council and youth council to talk about your youth groups to them. One thing we need in the town is more for the youngsters to do. As the parent of two teenagers I wasn't even aware that there were youth groups that could be available to them. I am sure that the town council would be more than happy to publicise them through the town newsletter etc, and maybe Peter would on this website. |
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| Rugby Widow |
Alan - I'm proud and happy to tell anyone about my groups! I also agree that more publicity for what we offer is required. Already spoken to Peter, thanks! I have been shocked myself recently how few residents know we are here. Of course, if more people realise we are here, then our waiting lists of kids get bigger and we'll need more adults to volunteer... :o) So we are back debating "How to get people involved again"! |
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| alan |
Good start "Rugby Widow" let us know when you'll be talking to the town council so we can come along and listen. Perhaps, as I've two teenage kids and it's half-term you'd like to tell me on here what the kids have to do to become involved and where they meet etc so I don't have to wait. |
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| Rugby Widow |
I can't see how talking to the Town Council will gain anything apart from waste their time - if we needed help with funding or support in the future, that would be another matter. Of course, they might need our help, so perhaps they would like to approach us? Perhaps some of the other worthy causes in Silsden might like some youngsters involved occasionally? As I said, I'm happy to go and talk to anyone about how great my youth groups are, I'm not going force them to listen though! It's getting a bit "flamed" now, and off Beta Girls topic. If Alan or anyone else wants more detail about what's on offer for girls in Silsden they are welcome to e-mail enquiries@silsdenguides.co.uk. Don't forget that the adults involved have just as much fun too! |
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| alan |
Why would it be a waste of the town councils time "Rugby Widow"? They can pass on the information to inform others in Silsden. The council are keen, I am sure, to support all youth activities. They supported the Youth Council and look what they acheived. So it's far from a waste of time. I also asked as a parent in Silsden. I have two kids and know nothing about any youth groups, like many other parents. I'd like to know where my kids can go, and telling me on here would, I am sure, be of great help and information to other parents. |
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| Peter |
www.silsden.net/guides-brownies/index.htm www.silsden.net/scouts/index.htm and the Youth Club???? Perhaps someone would like to let me know what is happening with the Youth Club. |
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| ginjo |
the youth council did acheive something but why don't the kids in Silsden use it? I am sick and tired of seeing large groups of kids on bikes riding and jumping on and off the walls by the carpark nr the library and the walls by the bust stop outside the cobbydale club.They are causing endless damage which everyone including their own parents have to pay for in their council tax.The police should take their names and addresses, visit their parents and give a warning that next time they will be sent the bill for repairs.It does not matter how much you provide for kids, its never enough but coming down hard on the irresponsible parents might improve things. |
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