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Topic : Silsden Sports Club - helping local facilities |
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| Spanish Omelette |
The thing I like most about the Tesco plans is the promise of additional facilities for Silsden Sports Club. Whilst I always admire both Industrial and Retail coming to Silsden, local facilities require these businesses to help fund the running of local voluntary organisations with either sponsorship or funding. Tesco are also willing to do this to help hundreds of local people |
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| grandad |
Yes it is called bribery, and they are not allowed to do it. |
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| BINNSY |
Wonder if the planning department at Bradford Met look at Silsden Net forum and see the on going problems Silsden people have with the football parking on Keighley Rd on a sunday morning. The proposed development of the old mill site would eliminate this issue straight away and would save the Highways dept £1000s of rate payers money |
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| ginjo |
grandad I thought it was common for developers to provide facilities for the community under a 106 agreement, I always think it smacks of bribery but apparantly it is all legitimate |
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| dexter |
Do Tesco know about the reservoir bursting? They will be getting a letter soon.. |
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| Listener |
quoteYes it is called bribery, and they are not allowed to do it. For the record Grandad, it is the owners of the site who offered us a tarmacked unwanted strip of land by Tesco for our own car park. They already let us have the paddock free of charge at the moment and would then give it to us with planning for an all weather pitch. Not a bribe by Tesco, but a generous offer from the owner in repayment for the Sports Club committee helping to look after their property from fire bugs and travellers, and keeping the gates locked and barricaded. This was all offered well after the open day in the Methodist Hall and before they applied for planning, so they could add it to the planning application. Hope that clarifies the preconceived ideas some people may have had, not everyone is bad. |
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| Peter |
I'm sorry but this is bribery Silsden AFC is so desperate for sponsorship and facilities they are selling their sole and the goodwill of the people of Silsden which do not share their passion for football. This morning Silsden AFC sent out 500+ emails to their supporters, urging them to email their support for the Tesco project to the MP, Ward Councillors and the people handling the planning. "Sod the rest of Silsden as long as we get our sports facilities" (This is my personal view on this matter, but I feel the rest of Silsden should know about the backdoor support Silsden AFC are providing to the planning application for Tesco). If this went through it would just add to the congestion (and parking on the pavements) we already experience on Keighley Road when the football club play. Coupled with the Tesco shoppers from out of town, the car boot, what chance would you have of getting out of Silsden on a Sunday?  |
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| Listener |
I was expecting your reply Peter, as misguided and blinkered as it is, and no reason to swear. The committees in any club work tirelessly for their club, whatever it may be, always striving to make it better, and we are no exception. What you fail to realise is the fact the Sports Club is an area for use by every member of Silsden for recreation and we as a committee do everything we can to improve the facility. I sent out the emails asking for support, no arm up the back or bribes just local people with children or an interest in the club for their support. If self proclaiming football hating people like yourself would support the local community by keeping your provocative views to yourself perhaps the village would prosper in not only sport but in general. Everyone is entitled to their opinion Peter but surely not at the expense of others. And in answer to your last paragraph, go a different way if it riles you so much. |
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| gazzer |
quote If this went through it would just add to the congestion (and parking on the pavements) we already experience on Keighley Road when the football club play. Coupled with the Tesco shoppers from out of town, the car boot, what chance would you have of getting out of Silsden on a Sunday? I would not call my self a Tesco supporter but the argument that the development that provides parking for the football would result in parking on the footpath is just argument for arguments sake. |
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| rosco |
Parking a problem !, now dont hold me to this but I have it on good authority that because of the generosity of the land owner giving us land to use for parking, those little man who draw double yellow lines will get to work and do what we have asked them to do for the last 10yrs.end of parking problem. Peter every one should back the Tesco bid the town is growing and changing every year, 2 brand new supermarkets and a new sports complex for free,for all sports not just football, it took a great deal of effort to get a million pound club house / facilities where over 300 children play sport this is a fantastic opportunity for the people of Silsden and a generous gesture by the land owner, that end of Silsden is a disgrace, here is a chance to put it right for free lets not blow it. 2 supermarket,s to give people choice and Sports complex with top class facilitys right on the door step, a lot more positives than negatives I hope you agree. |
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| skippy |
stop getting away with yourselves, this site is the only one left in silsden for heavey industrial, it is not retail and I would be very very supprised if Bradford allowed the change of use required. please don't all start falling out over something that probably wont happen, Tesco landbank ,look at ilkley,i for one am against Tesco for this reason alone,i don't want to see this land left in limbo by the uncaring company that Tesco is. |
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| rosco |
Hang on a second what are we saying here,heavy industrial rather than a landscaped retail unit and sports complex ?. Change of use as soon as poss, last time we nearly ended up with a incineration unit, support the Tesco bid for the benefit of future generations, sport not smog !!!!!!!!!!. |
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| bandnwire |
Remember the saying "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" when the Trojan Horse filled with soldiers eventually destroyed the City. |
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| thechairman |
Statement from chairman Silsden AFC. To all concerned, I have followed all your conversation regarding Aldi/Tesco so I thought it was time you were all brought up to speed on our position, and the work we have been doing. As soon as we heard about the Tesco plans, we new we could either lose one of our pitches used by the junior teams aged 7 to 10 or try and negotiate something positive for the club. In the coming months it was soon evident that our club could benefit if Tesco obtained permission to build a new store in silsden. Through negotiation we would gain guaranteed parking (44) which would hopefully stop all the negative comments we continue to receive from certain section of the community regarding parking at our ground. Secondly we would be given an area that we could use for additional sport pitches, and with a vibrant as our, we do have pitch congestion problems on match days. Thirdly the prospect of developing an all weather training area, something we would only dream about, the prospect of an all weather training facility got all our committee really excited, however as the largest organisation in Silsden we have a duty to the whole of Silsden, with this in mind we decided we would not act in a way that could have a detrimental impact on the Aldi bid, that has now been passed, on which we offer our sincere congratulations to both Habasit and Aldi. Now there is no reason why Tesco should not be able to build a store in Silsden, it is inevitable this would happen at some time so lets get the best deal we can for Silsden. Silsden can and will accommodate both supermarkets, as well as the Coop and the high street shops, remember its about choice, and also what will benefit the community as a whole. We at Silsden are all volunteers doing our best for our members, striving for a community to be proud of us. Regards Sean McNulty Chairperson Silsden AFC/Juniors/Ladies. |
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| Peter |
I was wondering why so many forum users were so vocal in their support for a Tesco store in Silsden and then I worked it out..... they are not really interested in Tesco but rather football and the bribe on offer, land to build 4 all-weather pitches for 5/6 aside football. If the Tesco bid fails Silsden AFC don't get the land! The fact is, if the proposed Tesco is built it will cause severe traffic congestion on Keighley Road, not helped by the additional traffic created by the 5 aside football traffic and the high possibility it will open a Pandora's box of housing development... The plans for Tesco mention 200 houses on Sykes Lane and beyond, and the access for all these houses will be through the Tesco complex and ALL THE TRAFFIC will have access to Keighley Road via a set of traffic lights. If Tesco are paying for the lights where will the priority be? news.silsden.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/14_01059_MAF-PROPOSED_ANNOTATED_SITE_PLAN-3924399.pdf The argument put forward by Silsden AFC for less parking on the side of the road because an additional 40 parking spaces will be created does not stack up. The all-weather pitches proposed are for: 4 x 5 aside pitches (40 players) 2 x 6 aside pitches (24 players) Assuming there are 1.5 children per delivery car will require car spaces for 42 cars,,,,, so far so good... BUT ... if there is a competition ... lets say 30 min games and a session lasting 2 hours ... the true car parking need is 168 car parking spaces. Even if the supporters providing transport only stayed around for about an hour there is still a requirement for 84 car parking spaces. All this is in addition to the normal football games which take place. Beware of trojan horses, are you sure this land is fit for purpose? This land was originally part of the dye works and there may be all sorts of nasty contaminants. At the end of the day this land is for industrial use, not retail, not housing. |
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| dexter |
At the end of the day, there are 2 questions:- 1. Do Tesco want to proceed with their application? 2. Will Bradford Council give the go-ahead? If the answer to both is Yes...then the supermarket will be built. What the public think about it is irrelevant...we don't get to decide. The suitability of the site for the development is part of the Council's decision.....plus many houses have been built in Silsden (and elsewhere) on previous industrial sites, rather than on greenfield sites....so what's the problem there? Mills all had pollution issues which were resolved so houses could be built on the land. So let's wait and see what happens....and I still hope that we get more sports/leisure facilities for the town  And we are still hopefully getting Aldi, desperately needed to give the Co-op some competition. |
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| Spanish Omelette |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) Peter - once again your little knowledge of the situation is letting you down badly. It is the Sports Club and the community which will benefit and that includes not just football but cricket, tennis, bowls and any other sport that can be accommodated down at Keighley Road, i.e. archery, rugby training, majorettes, tiddlywinks, etc. Something this town has been crying out for the last 50 years!!! You mention the extra 5-a-side pitches. These are not all for extra players but the majority of existing ones! If it is an Industrial site then why has Shanty Town been derelict for the last 5 years at least? Time for change of use and lets move to cleaner uses for the land! |
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| Listener |
quoteI was wondering why so many forum users were so vocal in their support for a Tesco store in Silsden and then I worked it out..... they are not really interested in Tesco but rather football and the bribe on offer, land to build 4 all-weather pitches for 5/6 aside football. If the Tesco bid fails Silsden AFC don't get the land! The fact is, if the proposed Tesco is built it will cause severe traffic congestion on Keighley Road, not helped by the additional traffic created by the 5 aside football traffic and the high possibility it will open a Pandora's box of housing development... The plans for Tesco mention 200 houses on Sykes Lane and beyond, and the access for all these houses will be through the Tesco complex and ALL THE TRAFFIC will have access to Keighley Road via a set of traffic lights. If Tesco are paying for the lights where will the priority be? The argument put forward by Silsden AFC for less parking on the side of the road because an additional 40 parking spaces will be created does not stack up. The all-weather pitches proposed are for: 4 x 5 aside pitches (40 players)2 x 6 aside pitches (24 players) Assuming there are 1.5 children per delivery car will require car spaces for 42 cars,,,,, so far so good... BUT ... if there is a competition ... lets say 30 min games and a session lasting 2 hours ... the true car parking need is 168 car parking spaces. Even if the supporters providing transport only stayed around for about an hour there is still a requirement for 84 car parking spaces. All this is in addition to the normal football games which take place. Beware of trojan horses, are you sure this land is fit for purpose? This land was originally part of the dye works and there may be all sorts of nasty contaminants. At the end of the day this land is for industrial use, not retail, not housing. Looks like you may have joined some of the dissenters with not wanting the facts get in the way of a good moan and have a chance to put the Sports Club down. The land was designated for industrial use because the owners at the time wanted an industrial unit building. Now they need a change of use, as they would if it was to be for housing. Nothing new there as all brown field sites need a change of use for houses now and probably Aldi did for their application. Briefly, we already have the land and the children play on it and its been given to us rent free for years and years. They are only applying for planning permission and if we were even slightly lucky it would be 1 pitch only as its cost and maintenance prohibitive. We already have a 44 space car park and are looking to make pitch side parking behind the main stand. The local cars also try and use Belton Road to keep the main road free. We also applied last year for double yellow lines opposite the ground and to each side of the entrance. As Dexter says, we may not have any say in the outcome but no one can fault out commitment to the local community by putting the facts and asking for their support. |
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| Peter |
You missed the point. You sent a letter to 600+ supporters of Silsden AFC (your mailing list) and suggested they write to the architects of the Tesco application in support of the Tesco application. You also implied in that email our MP, Ward Councillors and Silsden Town Council also approved of the Tesco application to build a Tesco. I'm sure your mailing list is read by locals and people all over the world, so how are none-locals sorted from the approval replies? I'm sure the football club does wonderful things, but when it interferes with me being able to use Keighley Road easily then I will object. |
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| gazzer |
quote Assuming there are 1.5 children per delivery car will require car spaces for 42 cars,,,,, so far so good... BUT ... if there is a competition ... lets say 30 min games and a session lasting 2 hours ... the true car parking need is 168 car parking spaces. Even if the supporters providing transport only stayed around for about an hour there is still a requirement for 84 car parking spaces. All this is in addition to the normal football games which take place. Couple of points For each game one team comes from away and often one driver brings 3 or 4 children. All weather pitches are mainly to ensure games that are currently postponed in wet weather actually get played rather than forming new teams |
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| midway |
Listeners email to other teams & supporters. Posted 29 March 2014 - 02:36 PM Its almost in our grasp!! I had a call from the Anthony Greally yesterday morning, the agent dealing with the proposed Tesco development. He said that Tesco was very disappointed with Bradford Council for not looking at both Aldi`s and Tesco`s planning submissions as a whole instead of looking at, and passing Aldi. Tesco are now looking at their options and it may be that they would decide not to proceed with their application to purchase the land and set up a new supermarket. We as a football club never supported either Aldi or Tesco publicly as its not what the members of the club elected us to do, just footballing matters. Now it is different, Aldi have their application accepted and our sponsor Habasit will hopefully continue their expansion programme ensuring even more jobs for Silsden and for this as a club we congratulate their success. He as asked if we could email him direct with support for Tesco so he can pass it on to the board Agreally@nlpplanning.com With an "I support Tesco in Silsden" email If Tesco decide to proceed we gain, the paddock which currently belongs to the mill, a 44 space car park next to the paddock, easing the gridlock on a weekend and a 60/40 chance of an all weather training area, in total it could be valued at over £200,000 much too good an opportunity to miss. Even not taking the value into account, look what legacy we could leave the club, not to mention the ease of todays club members not having to travel to training venues in the area or the tens of thousands we spend on all weather pitches currently. It could also give us an income stream in its own right We have until this Monday to get back to Anthony with the names of supporters, and we all need to do something, its too big a deal for us all to leave it to others who may be thinking the same. So please email everyone one in your email addresses connected with your team for their personal support and contacts. Up to this lunch time under 30 had replied out of the 1050 emails i sent out to supporters and members, please, if you support Silsden reply now |
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| Listener |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Very many thanks for highlighting our cause Midway, this email went to over 600 local recipients and it was also added to our football web site forums. Lets hope this last push works, thanks again. |
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| Peter |
Vote for a football pitch and get a Tesco |
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| MBR |
I personally believe TESCO should be allowed to develop and build on the current eyesore of a site - To all those objectors - remember no one forces anyone to shop anywhere - it is an issue of choice - one that silsdeners do not have very much of .. I personally do not shop at Tesco but I'll up hold the right of anyone else to do so - and if the football club is able to obtain or secure better facilities all the better.. Remember if built 'you' would have the choice to shop else where - the coop perhaps |
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| themuffinman |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) I think that tescos should be able to build their store i also hope the footy club gets the land they need which lets not forget benefits the communitys and keeps kids off the street and if they do then peter you can still go shopping at the co op if thats what you prefer !!! im assuming you have the funds to buy from their overpriced shop ....moneys tighter these days and after all people have the right to shop where they want and as for travelling im sure theres plenty of room if you go over the moor and drop down in to kildwick where youll find grat access to skipton or wherever u want to go .....remember its your choice no one elses but we shouldnt try run every one else's life .......vote for tesco get a football pitch ample parking land thats not an eyesore choice of places to shop ....oooh and jobs and maybe cheaper petrol from a place thats not a rip off !!! |
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| BINNSY |
Why are so many of the posts on this subject edited I thought the forum was for peoples views to be seen and heard .Its like reading a cheap Sunday newspaper where peoples views are been cheaply edited |
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| dexter |
BINNSY....I think that the editing is done by the poster, who may have had second thoughts about what he/she has posted? If Peter intervenes, he usually says so under his own name. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong! |
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| Peter |
quote If Peter intervenes, he usually says so under his own name. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong! You are correct, any this post has been edited 2 time(s) has been created when the poster has edited their post. My advice to those that wish to make a point and not have to edit it later is to compose your post in a text editor and cut-n-paste into the forum. |
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| Spanish Omelette |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) U uslly fund thit puple headit tings cus of de spulling! Or sumcases puple dont no how ti spull priply! Had to headit cus tink I spult summit wrung! |
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| The Stig |
Dear oh Dear That site at the moment is a disgrace & doesnt paint a pretty picture as to the first image when entering Sisden. The site needs to be tidied up & if Tesco ( or whoever) wants to develop a brownfield site well that sounds like a result to me.Better than digging up green - fields!! See the housing developers are keeping quite on building in Silsden. If they want to assist a community club like Silsden Sports Club then it gets my vote. So if Tesco want to pay for advertising on Silsden.net will that be seen a trojen horse??? Come on board,people - progress is progress - if not we would all be living in caves!!! |
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| Corky Yorky |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) It has been very interesting reading a variety of viewpoints regarding the Tesco proposal and the connection with the so-called sports club. It is a preposterous argument from the Sports Club to say that that it is an area for use by every member of Silsden for recreation when the Sports Club only offers limited choice, that of cricket and Football. If the sports club had Silsden’s full interest at heart rather than adopting an independent approach by just targeting its own members it might care to notice many Silsdeners are against the Tesco proposals and sub sequentially any expansion to the Sports Pitches. I for one am strongly against the urbanisation of our rural Township; an argument that no one has addressed yet. If Tesco gets the go ahead not only will we have a large shed of a store, roundabout, traffic lights, a large tarmaced and treeless car park, a petrol station, footpaths and further roads but also an immense amount of light pollution flooding the valley. Yes I agree the site needs to be developed there’s no doubting it is unsightly but we need to keep a tight grip on our rural town and allow suitable, appropriate development. The light pollution from the current floodlit pitches is at present blindingly bad enough, affecting the whole of the valley without the addition of further all weather pitches with subsequent flood lighting. Along with the traffic lights, store lights, petrol station lighting and car park lighting our valley will be lit up and our night sky and vision across Silsden and valley will be severely polluted. If Silsden Sports Club really wants to encourage and offer more to local folk they might think of broadening their offerings. The township of Otley for example is in the process of getting the go ahead for a velodrome. Football isn’t the be all and end all there are many other sports. Should the worst happen and Tesco get planning for that site then it would be of advantage to the local folk that maybe some indoor sports might be more appropriate. The structure might only be a simple agricultural type building, but the space could offer many sports that can be played in our unpredictable climate, and where flood lighting would not be a problem. quoteHere’s some egg! I believe our own park can already accommodate most if not all of those sports mentioned, though admittedly could do more, with some input from our community. Support our existing park rather than take the money away to private hands. On a separate note I read on this website the constant complaining of high prices at the Co-op. Yes prices are marginally higher, but I don’t think they are excessive. On many occasions I have come out with a bargain. The co-op is also a very community oriented friendly place to shop, something that any Aldi or Tesco isn’t. I have never heard on this website complaints about the price of petrol at our filling station nor about the price of beer in any of our pubs and an argument to boycott them and campaign for a cheaper new one. If you want urban choice move to a city, Bradford is not far away! Keep Silsden Rural: lets campaign for that! I’m with Peter on this issue. |
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| midway |
Yes i agree with everything you say ,but what do we do about that eyesore of a site. |
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| Spanish Omelette |
The light pollution ??? Now I've heard it all! |
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| Listener |
Oh Corky, I`ll juts put you straight on a few facts most locals know about. We are not a “so called sports club”, we are a fully functional sports club. The sports club facility houses football, cricket and bowls member clubs, all run by independent committees, and would welcome an approach from any other sports minded groups. Apart from the 3 above we also have had competitive archery and rounders competitions and every single week of the year indoors the over 55 club has snooker, darts, cards, table tennis……. The floodlights are low wattage and low energy bulbs with a limited measured output for over head emissions and cost something like £15 a game to run. If we were ever lucky enough to have just one all weather training area it would help fill the needs of almost 30 teams to train. Thus lowering the clubs carbon footprint considerably, as around 250 people a week travel to either Skipton or Keighley and back to an all weather pitch facility. The whole facility was donated to the people of Silsden in the 1920s as Silsden Playing Fields and has been run over the years since then by a board of trustees, so not privately owned, probably more publicly owned than the park. We also recycled drain water running from the hillside to water the pitches in summer, so all in all I think we are doing our best to be “Green” We would love an indoor area to house other sports and would probably be criticised in some quarters for wanting…#justcantwin And yes, you are with Peter…… |
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| victor |
As a member of the over 55 club I would like to thank the sports club for allowing us to use their facilities at such a reasonable rent. Not only do we play board games, pool, table tennis in the summer we play croquet. If there was an all weather area I am sure we would be able to use this as well, the sports club care about the old and young in the Silsden community. |
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| rosco |
We are currentley in talks with 2 other major sporting organisations nothing to do with football to encourage them to come and use the facility the long term aim is to secure funding to build a indoor muilti sports hall for the benefit of all sports they have shown positive interest and its looking like they will be using the Sports club as their base. As many of you know Silsden AFC are dooers and deliver, its not our fault that we are the leaders we just get on with it and look after the towns needs regarding Sport, all we need is the suppport and watch us deliver, by the way the running club used the venue for changing rooms and registration for the Rivock edge run again another local sporting organisation that has found a home we welcome. By backing Tesco you are backing Local sporting needs. |
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