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Topic : caged animals. |
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| alliecoward |
should the government perhaps pass a new law to say badly behaved children or indeed their parents be caged!!?? would this solve anti social behaviour? |
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| wahiba |
The worst elements of anti social behaviour involve people driving motor vehicles, speeding when people are around, driving one handed or even no handed while on the phone and every other bad bit of behaviour and from my observations the culprits are aged between 18 and 80. I think people need to get real about the world. It is not worse out there now than it was 20, 40, 100 years ago. The problem is the lack of numeracy and general understanding skills for much of the population. Of course crime has gone up, so has the population and it seems that has actually grown more than crime. But if you believe the Dailys Mail and Express we are all under seige from massed hordes of roaming feral kids, a bit like one of those horror movies. Of course there are places no sensible person walks at night, there have always been places where no one with any sense walked at night. People used to be placed in cages, hauled up, and left. The Romans called it crucifixion, I am not sure what we called it but not the nicest way to die. I assume that is what is being suggested. A few cages hanging around with the dead and dying might be a good deterrent, assuming it works or course as a deterrent. In fact the only real deterrent for crime is to increase the probability of being caught to 100%. Satelite tracking of cars will work on the road so I suppose implanting everyone with a chip to track them is the answer. Probably not 100% but would no doubt solve around 95% of all crimes, definitely better than the current 2% probability of being caught. |
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| alliecoward |
not sure they should be left in cages until they die, perhaps just poked with a stick until they do as they are told?! |
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| alliecoward |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) i'm sure the local constabulary would have something to say about your suggestions that they probably only catch about 2% of criminals, after all that IS what you're inferring is'nt it by saying there's only a 2% chance of being caught? I for one think they have a very tough job and their stats are more than likely to be an awful lot higher. |
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| pumbajunior |
yes i think the welsh police were worst in a recent report with 8% of burglarys resolved so its much higher than that in most of the country and as for prodding people in cages id go for an electric cattle prod |
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| alan |
I'm getting worried about this Silsden trick of putting people in cages and poking them with a stick, lived here lots of years and never knew such things went on  |
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| alliecoward |
alan, you've obviously never lived!!! |
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| ted |
wahiba and alan dont mind animals being in cages so one assumes they'd be up for it with humans too |
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| alan |
'ted' it's a pity you don't read my posts properly! You would have seen that I don't like caged wild animals, BUT the circus we have been debating on the other thread was the one HERE in Silsden, no rhinos, no lions, no tigers, and all the animals grazing in the field! And NO I won't be going to it, because I don't like circuses! The amazing thing is that there's not been a single protestor in sight! |
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| jonno |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) quoteNot that I don't value your opinion but would you care to post any links to statistical evidence of what you state as facts? Also hanging people in cages is not crucifixion. It is called gibbetting them and is normally done on corpses anyway... see [url]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbet[/url] |
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| alan |
Interesting the way you ask for evidence on this thread 'jonno'! |
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| hermione fraggle |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) We have a real problem with them where we are, hanging around in the lane at the back of the Bridge smoking, littering and swearing. But then tonight they seemed to favour doing it my front garden, fair enough it's not fenced off (which I am if it were it wouldn't stop them) but when I am ironging I don't want to hear them all swearing and carrying on. I know it's a minority of kids but it's alaways the same ones and being on my own some evenings I hardly feel safe runnign the gaunlet of antisocial kids just to go to Co-op or somewhere And this is far from a recent occurence but I see the Police CSO's in the town centre but never down here. |
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| wahiba |
Problems with kids. Play classical music, try a few types but most drives them nuts. They will go. |
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| jonno |
quoteOh really? Perhaps you'd like to explain what especially was interesting about it "Alan", that might be more of a contribution to the thread. wahiba had suggested that some of the worst elements of anitsocial behaviour were careless or reckless driving. I found this interesting because I don't really relate driving offenses with anti-social behaviour. I wonder how many ASBOS come about as a result of the way people drive for instance. Hence my question. I, and perhaps others, have to wonder what exactly the purpose of your post was? |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 3 time(s) Quote by 'jonno' "Not that I don't value your opinion but would you care to post any links to statistical evidence of what you state as facts?" Read your other posts on this and other threads, is that not double standards from your own comments? As for driving offences not being anti-social behaviour what can I say? I must live in a different world to you I would have thought that they were effectively dealt with by road traffic legislation, IF we had an effective police presence in the town, and not ASBO's. |
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| jonno |
"Alan" you understand my point perfectly. There are many specific driving offenses on the statute books which cover 'anti-social' driving. I'm not so sure however what crime is being committed when you see a group of youths knocking around on a street corner. Possibly some kind of public order offence is commited if they are swearing, and another if they are under-age and drinking etc, but I think people tend to class such behaviour as 'anti-social' rather than 'criminal or illegal'. Whereas speeding etc are more likely to be thought of as criminal acts. These are of course just my own thoughts and you are of course free to disagree as much as you like, I would never try to restrict your (or anyone elses) right to reply; unlike your own comment in the thread you refer to. I asked wahiba politely if he had any details to support his point of view because I thought he was painting with a broad brush. If you think this contradicts what I said about people being free to comment as much as they like then we do indeed live in different worlds. I have no particular axe to grind with you "Alan" but if you continue post in an adversarial manner in reply to what I say and accuse me of double standards then I will have to continue to disagree with you (politely). |
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| alan |
I'll look forward to it 'jonno' No point having a forum where everyone agrees, it'll soon die. Bit of controversy gets 'em typing! Now then, what's the next topic we can fall out about, whoops, sorry, discuss? How about a thread on incomers to Silsden having to learn Silsden dialect? |
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| hermione fraggle |
quoteAre there classes available? |
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| alan |
'spose there could be. |
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| pumbajunior |
ive been giving hermione classes on general yorkshireness for the last 3 years but as im originally from down the valley at bingley im not qualified to teach silsdenes (though i was born at airedale hospitol) |
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| Haych |
Alan... your style of discussion (at times) is needlessly pedantic... with also a litle bit of schoolyard needle in there... to what end do you feel this style holds in furthering this discussion, and any future discussions you may have on these forums? As for the original question from alliecoward… my feeling is that badly behaved children behave badly for a reason, and therefore we should be looking at ways of understanding these reasons and helping those families affected in a collective and altruistic fashion. Punishment is always a last resort I feel… So no I don’t believe that a cage for either child or parent would solve anti-social behaviour. It would only encourage segregation amongst communities. |
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| alan |
If you mean by that I expect posters to be able to back up their posts by facts "Haych" you are correct. That's what happens in the real world, not the cyber world! I only post under one name as well, just in case ou were wondering |
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| wahiba |
"I don't really relate driving offences with anti-social behaviour." If speeding through the town, parking on pavements restricting pedestrians, parking on corners so it is difficult to see around is not anti-social behaviour then what the h**** is it?? |
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| jonno |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteA traffic offense? I think my post was fairly lucid in explaining my thoughts, and just now I'm too whacked to be bothered expounding so I'll have to ask you to re-read my post and try to see what the h*** (three asterisks not four  ) I'm getting at.You equate bad driving and inconsiderate parking with anti-social behaviour. When I think of anti-social behaviour I think more of groups of youths (dare I call them yobs) causing trouble or just being a nuisance. Not to say either of us are wrong, just that we think a bit different. Edited for spelling and a little clarification. |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Definitions of anti-social behaviour on the Web: * Anti-social behaviour covers a wide range of activities, from boundary disputes and verbal harassment through to vandalism and intimidation. It is any kind of repeated behaviour which is likely to cause you alarm or distress and is often carried out by individuals who live in close proximity to you. Broadly, it is a quality of life issue. * acting in a manner which causes harassment, alarm or distress to other people * Anti-social behaviour is that lacking in judgement and consideration for others, ranging from careless negligence to deliberately damaging activity, vandalism and graffiti for example. Someone behaving in an anti-social manner may be a manifestation of an antisocial personality disorder. 'fraid I'd agree with 'wahiba' on this one. BUT saying that I'd still go with my earlier post that they should be dealt with by traffic legislation, as that could be far more punitive than ASBO's which seem to be worn as a badge of honour by some! |
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| jonno |
Excellent, now we are getting to a consensus! I couldn't disagree with any of those definitions and I also think reckless or incosiderate driving (or parking) are also anti-social, but I agree with Alan, these should be prosecuted as fully as possible under the relevant offenses rather than the apparently overused ASBOs. Would you say it's easier or harder to deal with bad drivers or other forms of anti-social behaviour (ASB)? Do the police take more or less notice of bad drivers than they do of people making life miserable for us in other ways? Should they? Bad driving can easily result in the death of a pedestrian, I don't know of any other incidents of ASB that have resulted in someone dying, although there probably have been some. What would we rather the police spend their time tackling? Can the community do anything to help? Do neighborhood watches have a roll to play or are they busybodies/vigilanties? Are there passive means to deal with bad driving? Speedbumps, chicanes, etc can help, but do the rest of us want to have to drive over/thru them? I don't like a lot of speedbumps, but if we beleive the Office of National Statistics they save lives by slowing people down. Lots of questions still to be answered here. |
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| alan |
Blimey 'jonno' you and I agreeing Think ASBO's are treated like medals, chuck the motoring book at 'em if it's a motoring offence. But the police MUST have the will to do it. |
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| jonno |
Not only the will but the resources. Have you read the Policeman's Blog? It makes me so sad to see our coppers wrapped up in red tape and not able to get out and do their jobs. link [url]coppersblog.blogspot.com/[/url] |
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| pumbajunior |
i think theres a copper on panorama or some tv show this week hes moved to canada to be a copper there as he says its 80% red tape n forms here thats why alot of nusense crime doesnt get solved it said something about kids drinking under age if he did something about it that would be his whole shift used on paper work 7 1/2 hours on 1 small crime |
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| Fred |
This is the way it works  news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6991209.stm |
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