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Topic : Our MP and the rest of this sorry lot |
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| bogtoss |
Anne Cryer voted with the goverment on the gurkha issue this was the last straw with labour for me but now almost every MP apart from a few? have all been lining there pockets from the tax we pay when I see them on the telly with there lame reasons for doing it makes me sick, we have young men away fighting and being killed on these peoples say so and they are all rotten to the core. Are they so stupid that they do not understand what they are doing? people will vote but not for the main line parties you all know who they will start to vote for then shock horror the question will be how did this happen. |
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| gazzer |
I recently wrote to Ann Cryer and once again I got a bog standard reply obviously supplied by someone working for her.Whats the point of Ann Cryer? |
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| alan |
The tory candidate is Kris Hopkins, the leader of Bradford..............hohohoho........ Look how successful he's been!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| gazzer |
quoteThe tory candidate is Kris Hopkins, the leader of Bradford..............hohohoho........ Look how successful he's been!!!!!!!!!!! Same success with all Bradford leaders.Remember Greenwood the Labour leader and his school policy.His electors voted him out so Labour gave him another "safe" seat.Most politicians may have good intentions when they start out but dont give a damn about us they are in it for themselves. |
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| skippy |
money is the key,pay them on results then see who wants the job  |
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| HB |
quoteI recently wrote to Ann Cryer and once again I got a bog standard reply obviously supplied by someone working for her.Whats the point of Ann Cryer? You got a reply, better than we have got, emailed her once and written a letter and she hasn't even acknowledged them! |
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| wahiba |
A few weeks ago seeing my mother in law onto the bus in Keighley bus station I was asked by MIL what the parade was. I guessed, correctly, that it was the Girl Guides thinking day. My correct answer was confirmed by this little grey haired lady who said she had just come from the service. I noticed her Prada handbag, overcoat, trousers and shoes that are probably not available in Keighley. I noticed becasue I had to look down to her. It was a little while later that it dawned on me who it was - Ann Cryer. At least she was travelling by bus. I must admit to wondering how she will come out of this. Her son is also an MP so they could obviously share London accomodation. I wonder? |
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| gazzer |
quote quoteI recently wrote to Ann Cryer and once again I got a bog standard reply obviously supplied by someone working for her.Whats the point of Ann Cryer? You got a reply, better than we have got, emailed her once and written a letter and she hasn't even acknowledged them! I used this site and they actually e-mail you back to check your MP has replied www.writetothem.com/ |
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| jonno |
I emailed Anne Cryer direct some time ago about the identity card scheme, giving her my opinion, which is contrary to the Tory line. Needless to say I never got a response. |
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| victor |
None of us have taken pens,nails,screws etc home from work have we ? we are all honest. Has anyone gone on a course from work,and claimed for train and bus fares,then shared a car with three others.Most of us use the system and if it can be claimed for we claim it. |
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| alan |
And we've never fiddled our expenses or skived off work, or told the odd porkie............hohohoho........ If only everyone was as perfect as the reporters of the British tabloid press........... |
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| victor |
well said Alan |
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| alan |
It would do some people good to chat face to face with some of our politicians and understand their principles and what drives them, and that applies to all parties. Ann Cryer is a woman who has had the balls to stand up for her principles, like them or not! I am not personally interested in tabloid tales to sell papers to naive and gullible people! |
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| Peter |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) What "The People" think of our MPs expense claims: newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&forumID=6421&edition=1&ttl=20090511072552&#paginator I wish I could claim a new kitchen on expenses and get my food paid for.  |
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| jonno |
this post has been edited 4 time(s) quoteNone of us have taken pens,nails,screws etc home from work have we ? we are all honest. Has anyone gone on a course from work,and claimed for train and bus fares,then shared a car with three others.Most of us use the system and if it can be claimed for we claim it. This is such a strawman arguement Victor, two wrongs don't make a right and we should expect to be able to hold those in public office to the very highest standards of honesty and morality. quoteSame response as to Victor above and it would be nice to be able to claim expenses for anything! quoteShame she didn't have the balls to respond to my email and try to persuade me to the governments views on identity cards. quoteIf the MPs hadn't abused a system that relied on their honesty there wouldn't be a story to sell papers to 'gullible people' aka the voters. Are you suggesting that people who take an interest in what our MPs are doing are all gullible? I'm not sure (because I can hardly believe it) but it seems some people are defending these immoral expenses claims?! The MPs may not have broken 'their' rules but anyone with an ounce of common sense can see 'their' system is wide open to abuse and we clearly cannot rely on many of them to operate honestly within such a system, perhaps the temptation is just too much. The mealy mouthed cries of 'we've not broken any rules!' are just getting to be a bit too much now and the public at large is thoroughly sickened by it. The phrase 'pigs at the trough' comes to mind, I wonder why? [edited for those silly quote tags] |
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| alan |
I'm more interested in the 2m unemployed, house prices, and whether my son gets a job when he leaves university than a TORY (yes it's their turn now) pays £100 for someone to change his lightbulbs. In the days of the Tories they didn't even have to show copies of recipts, just show a bit of paper with their signature. So nobody knew if they were fiddling! |
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| alan |
Trust you checked all the labels then 'wahiba' 'cos I wouldn't know Prada unless it had a big sign on it! Think what you really noticed was that she was well dressed, as an MP should be! Anyway welcome back, we've missed you  |
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| jonno |
I understand you have other concerns Alan, I'm sure we all do, but I don't think you should try to defend MPs claiming for things within the rules but totally opposed to the spirit of expenses. And I wouldn't worry too much about the fact that it's been mainly Labour MPs details published up to now, the Tory MPs details are coming out and it seems the shadow cabinet are just as bad as the worst Labour offenders. I'm really disgusted with MPs across all parties just now, with few notable exceptions (like Kevin Hopkins), they are greedy money-grubbers and hypocrites. After all the furor over bankers bonuses, and the government calling them all greedy fat cats, we now see our elected representatives are no better. Is it any wonder so many people are disenfranchised and disconnected? What kind of example are they setting for the country? I would like to invite Alan to join in condemnation of all MPs, irrespective of party politics, who have effectively cheated and gamed the system to their financial advantage. |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) I don't agree with any of the alleged the fiddling, of course not. But I think that there are now bigger issues in this country to worry about. I also don't agree with your interpretation of MP's, but that comes down to my own life experience! Perhaps MP's reflect the general population, greedy, self-righteous hypocrites? Ann Cryer won't be an MP at the next election, so why slag the woman off now when she is an MP who has had the balls to stand up for Keighley! She did a far better job than Roper did, remember him? Regardless of your politics she's more man for the job than Kris Hopkins........... look at his history and see some of the things he has done to people at Bradford! |
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| jonno |
Three words Alan, distraction, deflection and denial. There are indeed bigger issues but that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to this one, that's causing many people to lose faith in their MPs, which I think IS a very serious issue. I'm not slagging off Anne I'm just relating my experience trying to communicate with her. The length of time she has left in office is entirely irrelevant and another of those distractions you're so fond of. So you're saying the electorate are greedy, self righteous, hypocrites? hmmm... I have to say I'm disappointed with your very jaundiced view of the hard working people of this country. |
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| alan |
quoteSo you're saying the electorate are greedy, self righteous, hypocrites? hmmm... I have to say I'm disappointed with your very jaundiced view of the hard working people of this country. No I didn't, merely asked the question The hard working people are exactly that, but we also have classes of people who leech off the rest of us, and I do not mean just for benefits! |
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| jonno |
quotewe also have classes of people who leech off the rest of us yep, and [some] MPs are apparently in that class. |
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| wahiba |
Actually I have written to Ann Cryer a couple of times and had personal replies on both occasions. She also wrote to me once asking for my comments, and I replied. As for her Prada hadbag. She is welcome to it. If the name had not stood out I would not have noticed, the bag itself was nothing to write home about. If I had realised it was her I would probably have said something, but she was much smaller than I expected. Trouble with seeing people only on the TV, one does not get ther full proportions. Sticking to the facts and not indulging in personal abuse, however mild, helps. As for MPs expenses. Nice bit from Gordon Browns sister in law explaining the 'cleaner' story. A very reasonable answer, which is more than be said for some of the press antics. Even so, MPs have brought this on themselves. Silly sods, I have no sympathy. |
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| alan |
quote quotewe also have classes of people who leech off the rest of us yep, and [some] MPs are apparently in that class. Absolutely jonno, but most are hard working and dedicated just like the general population.... |
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| jonno |
I really appreciate honest, hardworking, MPs who don't aspire to high position and just want to be public servants and help their local community and the country in general. Unfortunately some MPs who have risen to high positions (whether shadow or actual government) are among those who are now looking very shamefaced (or would be if they had any conscience.) It seems, and hope I'm right, that the gravy train has just had an almighty derailment and I hope it never recovers. |
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| victor |
In the review I think the wages will go up from £68000 plus expences to the same as doctors around £200000 |
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| alan |
quoteIn the review I think the wages will go up from £68000 plus expences to the same as doctors around £200000 Think your figures are wrong 'jonno'...... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-553529/Plan-raise-MPs-wages-23-000-prevent-misuse-expenses-provokes-fury.html |
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| victor |
Alan in April 2008 the salary and expenses were salary £61 820 staffing £100 205 incidental allowances £ 22 193 it equip £ 3 000 cost allowances £ 24 006 communication allo £ 10 400 |
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| victor |
all that plus mielage allowance and second home allowance so £200000 is a bargan |
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| robin |
The whole 'thing' surrounding expenses is getting out of hand, if they need to stay in London overnight they should be provided with accomodation, in the same way as are Builders, Motorway Chaps and Actors, (Thora Hird and Kathy Staff shared the same caravan for years, and lets face it they did more for the North than this lot of Tories on all sided of the house)At best Her Majesty's (not Gordon Brown's) government should take over a hotel and house them when necessary, after all other mortals cannot take their households with them whist working away for increasingly short periods canthey? |
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| alan |
quoteIn the review I think the wages will go up from £68000 plus expences to the same as doctors around £200000 Please read you're quote victor......... |
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| alan |
quoteThe whole 'thing' surrounding expenses is getting out of hand, if they need to stay in London overnight they should be provided with accomodation, in the same way as are Builders, Motorway Chaps and Actors, (Thora Hird and Kathy Staff shared the same caravan for years, and lets face it they did more for the North than this lot of Tories on all sided of the house)At best Her Majesty's (not Gordon Brown's) government should take over a hotel and house them when necessary, after all other mortals cannot take their households with them whist working away for increasingly short periods canthey? Chuck those leeches in the royal family out of Buckingham Palace and use it for appartments and offices for those out of London MP's! Problem solved, millions saved......... thinking outta tha box is the answer |
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| robin |
What then your worship, President Harperson, no thanks. |
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| alan |
President Boris got my vote  |
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| victor |
sorry alan I said £68000 because I made the error of quoting the BBC news without checking if it was true |
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| carliol |
I have written twice to Ann Cryer, both times complaining about government action, and both times getting a detailed reply enclosing Treasury responses to her queries on my behalf. I suspect she did not like my queries and criticism of the Treasury, but she dealt with it in a professional and courteous way..........credit where it is due! The current pigs in troughs fiasco about MP's expenses is ironic, Fred Goodwin will be having a laugh, I guess. |
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