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Topic : Blots on the landsape 2 |
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| Castleford/Silsden |
Also are you aware that farmers on Brown Bank Lane have submitted an application to re open an old quarry off Brown Bank Lane thus impacting on this beautiful part of the Silsden district, you can view the planning at 15/01301/PNA 0n Bradford.gov |
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| dogcatcher |
this quarry was filed partly in years ago when there were newts in the water, and that should`nt av happened  |
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| Blade |
Yes - this is a potentially bigger blot on the landscape. The applicant is High Swartha Farm and the site of the quarry sits on land that overlooks Brown Bank Lane. The application looks innocuous enough - farmer wants to quarry land to build dry stone walls and potentially outbuildings. Why then does the applicant require access to move the quarried stone over public highways, and why do the applicants agents make such an issue of this in the application, without adequately specifying why? Perhaps more worrying is that if the planning application in it's current form is approved, the potential for a commercial quarrying operation may arise. The applicants agents - a mining and quarrying consultancy - include informed costings for buying in stone relative to quarrying stone from the land owned by the farm. The economics of this are inarguable, but they do rather illustrate what a superb business opportunity it may present. Couple that with access over public highways and bingo - blasts and detonations all round! Like many people in Silsden I get great pleasure walking out of town and up to the Nab. I would hate to see this project scar the landscape, aside from the noise and dust it would inevitably create and I would urge anyone with similar feelings to object at least on the basis of loss of visual amenity. I would hope if Silsden Town Council are aware of this proposal, that they will take a similar position. |
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| Alan Grop |
Is this what was known as Dunne's quarry. ? It used to be Full of Frogs even sticklebacks that must have been caught in the canal and let go there. I remember in 1966 when we were in the top class as we called it our teacher let us go up there in school time, to get some frogspawn, for the class nature table. It must have taken us an hour or more just to get up there, unbelievable really if anything had happened to us doesn't bear thinking about. Loved that place its totally spoilt now and the owner has ruined it. A crying shame really. |
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| Castleford/Silsden |
Wasnt the filled in quarry on the left side of Brown Bank where the firing range is now, the application is on the right side where all the gorse bushes are and the footpath runs through it. |
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| Blade |
Yes - the proposal is for the hillside immediately below the caravan park on the right hand side as you travel up the hill. |
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| midway |
Just to save any confusion this is the view from Google earth.  |
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| dogcatcher |
yes i was thinking of the quarry at the other side, middy your picture just misses out the other quarry past the farm at the top. |
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| Alan Grop |
Not Dunns Quarry then as thats off fishbeck lane the other side of Brown bank. |
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| ginjo |
silsden council have not had a planning meeting in April or May and it does not appear to be on the agenda for the june meeting, how strange! |
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| Peter |
Planning applications are also heard at the meetings held at the beginning of each month. I can't remember this application coming up though. |
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| ginjo |
no, its not on any of the agendas, a bit odd, I will see if I can find out why |
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| old_miner |
A classic example of wanting cake but not being prepared to eat it. Planning dictates that walls and buildings should have the 'traditional' stone appearance. Stone has to come from the ground, quarries. We are implored to support local industries and so local employment. We need to reduce the transport carbon footprint. Local materials travel less. Of course if farmers could use renewable wood with recyclable metal then there would be no need for new stone. Same for buildings. Allow new designs using recyclable and renewable materials rather than 'traditional' and the need for quarries diminishes. |
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| ginjo |
right I have found out bthat this is a prior notice application which was due to be determined on the 31st may.The person dealing with it was unavailable but I have asked for a call back.It would appear the town council have not been consulted on this hence nothing in their agenda/minutes even though there have been a lot of objections from memebers of the public. |
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| Peter |
Prior Notification Applications www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/1app/guidance/guidance_note-prior_notification_proposed_agricultural_or_forestry_development.pdf PNA applications are prior notice to see if planning permission required. This does not come before silsden. STC are not consultees on PNA's |
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| Blade |
Partly in response to ‘Old Miner’ above, you are quite right in everything you say. The point in my initial post, which you recognise in commercial terms of job creation, employment, etc, is valid. As mentioned in that post the Prior Notice Application appears perfectly straightforward. However, I am also familiar with landowners who take the attitude ‘It’s my land and I will do what I want with it’. There is no suggestion that the applicant may deviate from the stated intention in the application under discussion. What does concern me is that once an initial application is granted, any subsequent application to alter or change the original application, whether by the same applicant or any new land owner, is often made that much easier by virtue of the original approval. I appreciate local people need local jobs, etc. This is a private application with limited scope for job creation. Both locals and any prospective new arrivals in the Silsden area will be aware that as a de-industrialised and predominately semi-rural town, realistically they will have to travel for work. There are many commercial quarries in the vicinity, producing stone of grades suitable for walling to housing construction. They are established in their transport links – by both rail and road designed for such movement of quarry. Silsden is not. I would again suggest anyone concerned with this proposal should raise the matter with the Silsden Town Council and comment individually and directly on the application via the Bradford Council planning portal. I mentioned the possibility of ‘blasts and detonations all round’ in my earlier post. I should also have included the possibility of ‘ 32 ton multiple axle lorries all round’. |
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| old_miner |
I think the quarry issue will probably fail on access. However if they were to propose a gravity cableway to the canal and then taking the stone away by barge, electric motors, batteries charged from a wind generator, what would be the response? |
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| Peter |
The application is for domestic comsumption ie not commercial. As it states in the appication. |
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| old_miner |
Domestic quarry!!! A superb contradictory phrase. |
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| robin |
quoteThe application is for domestic comsumption ie not commercial. As it states in the appication. But then applications ..........? Once granted can be amended |
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| Blade |
Peter, You are quite correct. The application is for, ostensibly, a local application. Planning laws and invitations to comment on planning also recognise that fact. Unfortunately public information, other than viewed on Bradford councils planning portal, is scarce. Naturally the initial application does not address possibilities outside of the stated intentions of that application. By raising this issue which until yesterday remained unaddressed on Silsden's local digital information service (silsden.net), will hopefully inform a wider, interested audience. Perhaps most importantly, given some of the above-mentioned comments, it will also inform the town council that many of it's residents are concerned about the proposal. My understanding is the town council do not have to be consulted regarding this type of application (at this stage), but that does not mean that concerned residents should not approach the town council to record their view on the matter and seek to establish the opinion of the town council. Do not forge,t this application, if approved, will create a visual scar on Silsden's landscape. I do not wish to conflate this issue with the wind turbine debate elsewhere on this site, but it is patently clear that the initial approvals for one, then two, then three, etc, turbines in the locality has led to a huge escalation in approvals. Walk up onto the Nab - look - they are everywhere. 'Windfarms' by stealth, via one-by-one applications. Silsden residents should be aware of this latest application so that they can independently form a view on the proposal and be able to approach an informed town council who can advise them on the matter of the quarry and it's potential implications. |
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| midway |
Just thought I'd show you the quarry ( please note it's only visible from Brown bank for about 100 yd ).  |
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| Galaxy |
I have read the planning application and also the dozen or so objections on the BMDC website and maybe I'm naive, but certainly I'm confused by the reactions. The application (if passed) appears only to allow the farmer to quarry a limited amount of stone already on their land to improve their farm tracks and to repair farm buildings. There is no suggestion that any of the stone will ever be removed from the farmer's land yet many of the objectors (largely associated with the caravan park) cite reasons such as increased heavy goods traffic on the narrow public roads. Yes the odd vehicle may have to drive to the site to set up the operation but there's not going to be dump trucks full of stone zooming up and down Brown Bank Lane and through the town centre every 10 minutes! There's talk on this site of supporting local industries and creating local jobs - how is that relevant to this planning application? Maybe one or two specialists to do the quarrying and to dress the stone - how many people with those skills exist within the town who are waiting for these job opportunities to arise? |
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| skippy |
I remember leonard buckle quarrying the stone here late 70s ,I find it strange that bfd are requesting this application as from memory the farmer is allowed to extract stone from his land for construction purposes,no doubt this will rumble on for weeks to come. |
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| midway |
My understanding of this letter is, that planning consent is only required if material is transported off the site, and therefor anything quarried for use on the site does not require further planning consent. Am i correct.  |
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