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Topic : Bradford want to offload their public toilets responsibility |
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| Peter |
Silsden town mayor Chris Atkinson said it was likely his fellow councillors would reject the offer to run the toilets by Silsden's Punch Bowl pub. From the KN Thursday 19th July 2012 www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/9826933.print/ |
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| pumbajunior |
so what are we actually getting for our taxes oooooooohhhhhhhhh were paying there expense accounts  |
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| hermione fraggle |
They want to give them to the Town Council as they are run down and virtually unfit for use and need a lot of maintainance so if we take them we will be obliged to pay for the refubishments. Or perhaps I am being cynical  |
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| dexter |
For the whole year 2012/2013 I am paying local rates of £13.56, which presumably goes to the local council to spend. Why don't we increase the amount we pay, if it doubles it wouldn't hurt most people, and have some local facilities like toilets that we can be proud of? Surely we want visitors to have a good impression of our town, they may stop and spend some money here? |
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| pumbajunior |
in that case what are we getting for the taxes we pay bradford council? |
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| dexter |
I think the council tax has been frozen for 2 years, and it has to spread around a bit thinner now. What I am saying is that we should take some local responsibility to improve our image, at the cost of a very few quid, and provide visitors with a good impression at having decent toilets when they stop here. There is huge traffic through Silsden, and we should be encouraging more people to stop and use our facilities and local businesses. As per other topics ( for example Town Hall changes ) , it seems that some local people are being a bit negative at making changes to our town, and anybody who dissents is shouted down or sneered at. |
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| Peter |
Has anyone (who reads this forum) actually used these toilets, if so what were your impressions - clean  , smelly  , a place to be avoided  ? |
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| ginjo |
I have used them when I have been desperate. they are not the worst I have seen, usually fairly clean just old and in need of replacement.there is usually no loo paper or soap and no way of drying hands so could do with a revamp.It is becoming an issue now, the lack of toilets in places, hardly any public loos anywhere and when you are on a long journey it can be a bit awkward especially if you don't know the area so don't know where the facilities are.I think we should refurbish them I have seen business men stop to use them and delivery drivers etc, people need to go to the loo during their working day. |
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| Janey_Jane |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) I took my son in when he was desperate and found them to be unpleasant. Would really like to see them revamped and to include a baby change facility, even if this was just a small drop down counter as there is no where to change a nappy in Silsden. Perhaps some new facilities might be considered in the proposed park community buildings? It would be great to have toilet facilities in the park. |
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| hermione fraggle |
I agree I don't have my own kids, but looking after other folks it is hard to get them from the park to home in time for them to go. Even for adults it would good not to have to walk home and then come back when I need the loo. |
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| pumbajunior |
ive used them only when desperate they are not good at all if bradford want to pass them to Silsden council they should be in the condition that they were when bradford took them over there seems to be a trend currently of bradford wanting to offload anything that is run down and they cant be bothered with any more |
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| gazzer |
quote if bradford want to pass them to Silsden council they should be in the condition that they were when bradford took them over( When you had to go down steps? Actually if they wish to pass them on then they should be brought upto standard. |
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| pumbajunior |
agreed gazzer |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
www.ilkleygazette.co.uk/news/news_local/10775123.Ilkley_s_Manor_House_is_facing_the_axe/?ref=mmsp "The controlling Labour group would close all its public toilets, except those in high traffic tourist areas, which include Brook Street, Ilkley". |
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| jonno |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) I was caught short recently and used the loos by the Punch. Not that bad, fairly clean, plenty of loo roll, no hand soap or hand towels or hand dryer. As has been said they are just a bit old and could do with some improvements. I used the ones in Gargrave recently and they had a sign asking for a donation/contribution towards the running cost and a slot in the wall to put your money through. The public loos in Bingley cost 20p to get in which I don't like as sometimes you might not have any change or indeed any cash on you at all. But I did put a contribution in the Gargrave loos because they were nice and clean and would be happy to contribute to Silsden loos rather than forced to pay to use them. Maybe we just need to think outside the box a bit more? |
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| darter |
Perhaps Bradford MDC need to be reminded that they are on the route of the Tour De France...perhaps they can use some of their budget for that to give them a bit of a refurbishment. |
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| old_miner |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) repeated post - slow connection |
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| old_miner |
If Silsden Town Council wants to taken seriously then they should grab this opportunity to prove they can do something really practical and useful and run some public toilets. If that is too much.... what is the point? |
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| aflac99 |
at a council meeting some time ago it was stated it costs BDMC £50,000 a year to run these toilets This is one of the reasons STC is reluctant to take on the toilets I doubt BDMC would be forthcoming with extra cash for STC to run these toilets |
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| gazzer |
Why should Bradford not provide public toilets.They had a point closing the gents on the canal bridge. Its always cutting services.It would be interesting to see what Silsden UDC provided and what we get now. |
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| FIELD |
quoteat a council meeting some time ago it was stated it costs BDMC £50,000 a year to run these toilets This is one of the reasons STC is reluctant to take on the toilets I doubt BDMC would be forthcoming with extra cash for STC to run these toilets TIC. You are forgetting the golden rule - Never believe anything Bradford Met. say. £50,000 per year to service and maintain one toilet block? What are they doing with it - a full time attendant 7 days a week? Chaperones for the disabled and infirm? Last time I used them, they hadn't been cleaned in months. They certainly had not been maintained, by any definition. |
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| Peter |
There have been a few misquotes and braincells falling out since I started this topic so I thought I would take the opportunity to put things straight. Keighley News - Thursday 19th July 2012 Bradford Council is asking the smaller councils whether they would be interested in running unattended toilets in their areas. The measure has been proposed to help Bradford Council save £88,000 a year across the district on its public conveniences budget. Silsden town mayor Chris Atkinson said it was likely his fellow councillors would reject the offer to run the toilets by Silsden's Punch Bowl pub. He said: “I think the public would go mad if the council expected us to do that. We pay for the toilets in our rates so they should do it.” Bradford has also suggested significantly reducing winter opening hours at two attended toilets in Haworth, in the park and near the Parsonage Museum. This would reduce the annual wage bill from £60,000 to £42,000. FULL ARTICLE Ref www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/9826933.print/ STC MINUTES 2 August 2012 Partial completion of a questionnaire on behalf of the council on our views about the transfer of public toilet maintenance and upkeep to the TC, with a number of questions raised which require answers before it could be fully completed. TC wish to know whether it would be an asset transfer, what the budgetary savings would be made by Bradford if not all parishes took on toilets as major savings appear to be in the transfer of the manned toilets in Ilkley and Haworth, will the toilets be brought up to an acceptable standard prior to any takeover, is there an expectation to make these DDA compliant. Ref www.silsden.net/town_council/docs_12/12_meetings/STC_meeting_mins_Aug2012.pdf STC MINUTES 3 OCT 2012 Noted the clerk attended a meeting regarding the transfer of unattended public toilets. Though some of our questions were answered such as not looking at an asset transfer, just the transfer of services at this stage, and that some money would possibly be forth coming as an aid to taking on this service, it was clear that a lot more detail and information is still required before being able to consider this proposal and a working group was formed in order to ascertain this information. Ref www.silsden.net/town_council/docs_12/12_meetings/STC_meeting_mins_Oct2012.pdf There is no mention of this item in subsequent STC minutes. |
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| old_miner |
Silsden town mayor Chris Atkinson said it was likely his fellow councillors would reject the offer to run the toilets by Silsden's Punch Bowl pub. He said: “I think the public would go mad if the council expected us to do that. We pay for the toilets in our rates so they should do it.” Well this member of the public would not go mad. There is a Silsden precept to the the rates so it can be added to that. The choice is Silsdens. Again: If the local town council cannot run the local toilets then what is the point of the local town council. |
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| skippy |
old miner you seem to be the only person who wishes to pay for something twice when you were in your union with Arthur I bet you would had different views |
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| aflac99 |
agreed mr mayor plus if the council did take them on no doubt the precept would have to be upped to cover the cost? |
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| old_miner |
One does not get owt for nowt and the same applies to public toilets. Responsibility means just that and includes everthing - including the real cost. While socialists are honest in that all should contribute to the common pool and take what is needed tories still want everyone, except themselves of course, to contribute to the common pool, but then they always want more out than anyone else. Of course tories cloud this with talk of freedom of choice what they really mean is you pay and they profit. If Silsden Town council is not prepared to organise and operate a common pool facility as basic as public toilets then so be it. I doubt if there will be any fuss until they are missed. So what is Silsden town Council for? |
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| grandad |
Old Minor if you think running these toilets is such a good idea, why don'y you offer to take them over? You could sit in a little box outside and charge people to use them. |
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| Peter |
Don't forget they are putting lots of toilets in the refurbished Town Hall and with the extended opening hours they should be available for most of the day..... won't they? |
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| grandad |
Peter, they never have been available for the public to use, they are for the hirers of the Town Hall only. |
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| Peter |
quotePeter, they never have been available for the public to use, they are for the hirers of the Town Hall only. If you can go to the library (when it has moved) you will be able to use the toilet. |
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| gazzer |
quoteDon't forget they are putting lots of toilets in the refurbished Town Hall and with the extended opening hours they should be available for most of the day..... won't they? But if you are in a wheelchair allow time for the journey upstairs in the lift!!! |
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| Peter |
quote quoteDon't forget they are putting lots of toilets in the refurbished Town Hall and with the extended opening hours they should be available for most of the day..... won't they? But if you are in a wheelchair allow time for the journey upstairs in the lift!!! .... and remember you must have someone assisting that knows the evacuation procedure in the event of an emergency. |
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| aflac99 |
quote quote quoteDon't forget they are putting lots of toilets in the refurbished Town Hall and with the extended opening hours they should be available for most of the day..... won't they? But if you are in a wheelchair allow time for the journey upstairs in the lift!!! .... and remember you must have someone assisting that knows the evacuation procedure in the event of an emergency. but first you will have to get up the ramp they arnt going to build yet (and once its built if it ever is get stuck trying to turn at the top as it will be too narrow for a wheelchair) |
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| bandnwire |
When I eventually get into the library, the toilet downstairs is too small for a wheelchair, so I shall have to ask a librarian to go with me to the one upstairs and also take the padlock off the fire doors. |
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| gazzer |
quoteWhen I eventually get into the library, the toilet downstairs is too small for a wheelchair, so I shall have to ask a librarian to go with me to the one upstairs and also take the padlock off the fire doors. What if they cant find the padlock key?. I am guessing you mean "means of escape" doors. Any padlock should be removed and placed on a safety board at the very least when the building is occupied. |
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| aflac99 |
quoteWhen I eventually get into the library, the toilet downstairs is too small for a wheelchair, so I shall have to ask a librarian to go with me to the one upstairs and also take the padlock off the fire doors. Thats if the ramp has been built and if your chair doesnt get stuck at the top of the ramp on turning into the building |
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events sale / wanted general have your say looking for.. skippy greengrass |
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