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Topic : Buses, right of way |
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| grandson |
Is it just me or does one bus driver for a small "local" bus company think no matter the situation right of way is given to them? Especially when manoeuvring around parked vehicles on their side of the road they will force trafic in the opposite direction to give way and sometimes in a "threatening" (driving as if, move or be hit) manor. |
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| Bricol |
Not been done to me - but he'd be testing his brakes if he did! I have noticed the speed and lines around corners you can't see round are not quite appropriate - especially if kids / little old ladies/men (or even big, young ones) are just around the corner. Happens a lot with large vehicle drivers - a school bus did it to me in Sutton - could have let me though the last 20ft down a road lined with cars, but he pulled into a narrow gap, up to my front bumper and sat there, arms folded . . . took me 10mins to reverse the 50yds back  Lots of zig-zagging, forwards, backwards etc. I even had to get out and consider my route at one point . . . You could see the steam coming out of his ears Bri |
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| arthurja |
I think it's probably you, consider the actions of a driver trying to keep his/her passengers safe and choosing a driving line that doesn't throw them all over the bus then consider how much time you would have to see the vehicle approaching and consider the way you drive too. |
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| grandson |
That would be excusable if the bus were moving at a speed considering being a larger vehicle it has a longer stopping distance! But what about when the bus has stopped say to drop off a passenger then moves out around parked cars without indication and WHILST traffic is approaching forcing oncoming vehicles to stop and/or give way. Wouldn't I be correct in saying the driver should wait while at least the vehicles already passing in the opposite direction or overtaking the bus before manoeuvring and turning on those flashing orange lights on the sides? If I am behind a bus and it is indicating to pull out of a bus stop I take it as the unwritten law of the road that they be let out, not to speed round them. I do however object when they do this and I am already passing and it puts myself and/or others at more risk. Again this is excusable if the road is clear and or wide enough for them to do SAFELY. |
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| jonno |
Just like everything else in life there are good drivers and bad drivers both those who do it for a living and those who don't. I know some cracking bus and lorry drivers who are absolute gents but I also have experienced some who are, well I can't really say on here just how bad they are, appalling doesn't cover it. Like to Silsden taxi who undertook me on the bypass when I was doing 75 already! Or the Sainsbury's delivery van who nearly forced me into a dry stone wall and ruined two wheel trims (yes they paid compensation to me for that.) I guess it's just more noticeable when it's a large vehicle or when it's a commercial vehicle since we've come to expect better from them. I think also over time they perhaps become fed up and intolerant of us 'normal' road users and think we are a nuisance. |
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| grandson |
In my opinion bullying is required, especially when in a larger vehicle and I expect larger vehicles and let them do some things I would get "miffed" at if a regular car (including monsterous range rovers etc) did it to me. But it is when it goes beyond bullying to pure obnoxious and dangerous behaviour which actually has the opposite desired effect of "bullying" by causing a situation where one if not both drivers are forced to stop and reconsider the situation. A lot of the drivers at this "local" comapany seem to be fairly polite and considerate but there seems to be just one or two that seem to not drive with due care and attention. Especially where "regular" road users are considered. |
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| pumbajunior |
if the blockage is on my side i stop if the blockage is in the opposite carriageway and someone is coming through i stop if its on there side im coming through and they look like there gonna try and take the side of my car off i drive right down the center of the round so they dont have an option but to stay put |
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| Bricol |
If you are undertaken on a multi-lane road, regardless of the speed (illegal or not) you are doing, it would seem to indicate you should have been in the inside lane as there was space to be there - thus allowing overtaking . . . Winds me up immmensly on the way to work - there used to be Royal Mail Transit Connect at that time of day that would stay in the outside lane of the bypass all the way from Keighley to Cottingley, regardless of the completely empty lane to his inside . . . which I, and others, used. However, as I was already in the inside lane, and didn't pull out once past, according to the Highway Code, I wasn't undertaking, just maintaining speed and lane . . . Bri |
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| grandson |
I don’t seem to get undertaken too often, but then again I only stay in the outside lane when overtaking or turning right at the roundabout. I have been undertaken after just passing a car but I was even signalling and started to move in when the guy behind who was quite close anyway swerved in and put his foot down, if I had not checked my mirrors he would have been in my side! I have however been stuck behind people who sit in the outside lane and refuse to move over even though the inside lane is clear. Sounding the horn sometimes makes them more persistent so now I give them a bit of chance and benefit of the doubt that they are preparing to move over, then I put my right indicator on then I tap the horn to try and get their attention. Sometimes this works but the horn tends upset people even though it is purely there to alert them to your presence! |
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| jonno |
In the instance of being undertaken by a taxi I mentioned, I was driving faster than most cars passing them at a reasonable rate. This taxi came up behind me at a great rate of knots, just as I was between the car I'd just passed and the one I was about to pass in a few seconds, he then cut to the inside lane (never slowing for a second), passed me, cut back in front of me and carried on his 'merry' way. Complete idiot in every way, no excuse for undertaking like that EVER, end of. |
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| roosterman |
jonno,he obviously didnt have a fare then,if he had have,he wouldve been going no more than 30 |
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| Bricol |
Still sounds slightly to me as if attention hasn't been paid to mirrors etc - pop out of the overtaking lane, let the driver with the higher illegal speed than yours past, then pop back out. Works a treat over on the mainland - admittedly the Germans do tend to get a bit tight behind, but . . . Mind you, over on the mainland, even on single lane roads, if you come up behind someone, obviously going faster, 90% of the time, at the first opportunity, they will give you the space to get past - rather than over here where the rule seems to be drive in the middle of the road to prevent anyone getting past . . . Although in Italy, it's not unknown for the over-takers to simply create another lane anyway . . . Anyway, back to buses . . . ever driven in London and attempted to "discuss" lane discipline with a red bus? You need to be driving an old car with a few dents, with space for a few more, to do well. Bri |
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| jonno |
quoteStill sounds slightly to me as if attention hasn't been paid to mirrors etc - Sorry Bri I must disagree, after all I was there and you weren't. If I'd pulled over I would have cut up the person I'd just overtaken in much the same way the taxi did, if he wants to be an idiot that's up to him, but I'm gonna drive safely. If he'd come up behind me and waited half a minute I'd have finished overtaking and pulled over for him but I guess he didn't think of that. |
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| grandson |
Half the fun is sitting behind some old codger furiously trying to indicate your intention to pass "legally" first by using indicators, then a flash of the lights then a toot on the horn. When you are noticed instead of moving over they put their foot down all be it at an arthritic joint movement pace but still they'd rather push their artificial hip and brake the speed limit than just move into the empty inside lane and let you pass! I have found sometimes moving over and sitting at a safe distance on the inside lane encourages them to move into the inside lane. If not then making them aware can help. Small innocent mistakes I don't mind, mindless stupidity and pure dangerous behaviour do bother me. Unfortunately we "regular" car drivers are more at risk than those in larger vehicles. Along with size, people in company owned vehicles in my opinion seem to respect their vehicle less, probably as they don't pay the bill if it gets damaged! We need a grumpy drivers thread! |
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| roosterman |
grandson,years to come you too will be a old codger  |
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| grandson |
At least then I will have enough money and car insurance will be low enough for me to drive a range rover. |
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| tolpuddle |
If one is less than three seconds behind the vehicle in front the probablity of hitting it is quite high - at any speed. If I have a w----r up my a--e then I slow down. If they do not overtake ( I prefer the idiots in front of me rather than behind ) I just get slower and slower until they get the message. Then I increase speed to the road conditions. I make no effort to stop them over taking, although usually traffic conditions mean they cannot so why some people find it necessary to tailgaite I do not know. In practise vehicles travelling to close to each other slow all the traffic down. Ever wondered why traffic on a motorway suddenly slows, and sometimes even stops for no apparent reason. Too many people tailgating. |
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| grandson |
Ahh the tail gator, time old classic. I don't get many, don't know if it is because of my "relaxed" approach to driving or because I tend to drive as close to the speed limit as I can safely. There are generally three reasons someone will tail gate you, they want to go faster, they want to overtake (generally sitting on the rear right) or because they are stupid. Tail gating slow drivers tends to just make them slower, I have told my father to back off a little, long and behold they sped up! Slamming the brakes on in my experience isn't a wise option, it can cause an accident and/or upset them. Personally I like to keep a nice distance between myself and the person in front, even in a queue of traffic I leave a nice gap just in case, but at junctions I do get closer as to get out quicker. |
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