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Topic : Congestion Charge in London to rise |
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| clogger |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) According to Ken Livingston all 4wheel drive vehicles could rise from £8/day to over £20 Is this fair Would it work up norf or is it just for the silly darn sarf Personally i think we are only a few years away from people being discrimanated against for running high co% vehicles Are 4wd and big CC cars a thing of the past and how many really do need a 4wd (sorry edited due to spelling errors) |
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| alan |
For once "clogger" I've got to agree with you. The trouble is that 4wd are now being turned into the bogey men. More correctly it should be ALL high emission cars and not just 4wd singled out. But cars are an easy scapegoat for climate change, what about all the other causes? They are easier to park on the pavement though  - JUST JOKING - HONEST!!! |
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| wahiba |
The proposed regulations relate to emissions. That many of the big 4X4s fall into this category really demonstrates what silly machines they are for running around in big cities. In the UK a large 4X4 has one practical use, towing. Utilitarian 4X4, like Land Rovers and Pick Up trucks are often used in environments that require their particular abilities. Road pricing on a pay as you go basis is going to come. Logically, and fairly it should make using a vehicle in lieu of public transport pretty expensive. However, in country areas when public transport is more marginal it could work out cheaper. Whether it will or not is to be seen. There are more votes in cities!! |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) "wahiba" the regulations certainly do relate to emissions. BUT the silly PC brigade have jumped on the 4x4 band wagon because they see them as an easy visible target. The sad thing is that if many people took the time to compare emissions of some 4x4s with even the humble Mondeo and Vectra they would see that there is not much difference. AND, just look at the emissions of the "claimed" 1300cc Mazda RX8! And before anyone asks I do drive a 4x4, work in construction on building sites, and use it off road for radio marshalling in fell races etc (usually for charity), and won't be voting Green or LibDem |
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| janny |
But Alan, how many times do you actually go 'off road'? And I dont mean hitting the pavement! |
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| alan |
Every day - I park on the grass at the side of the building site Or doesn't that count? |
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| wahiba |
The regulations relate to emissions. 4 X 4s are chosen because so many people have them in environments they were not designed for. A 4 X 4 that falls into the lower emission brackets would be acceptable. I owned a 4 x 4 for a couple of years, a Pajero (which is Spanish for wanker by the way). It had a 4 cylinder petrol engine and an excellent air conditioning system. Mind you, this was in Oman, it was fine on the rough tracks but did not like soft sand. The AC was essential as the temperatures went into the 50s celcius. Horses for courses. |
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| alan |
No doubt "wahiba", the trouble is that the 'ignorant' masses jump on the bandwagon and pronounce ALL 4x4s as the enemy without knowing the true facts! People don't NEED a car that does 100mph plus, so why do they buy them in the UK? People don't NEED an enormous TV that wastes energy, but they buy them. People don't NEED a lot of things in life but they buy them! In the UK we contribute a tiny percentage of the emissions in the world, but do we see China, India, the USA, or any of the other large contributors following our lead? Of course we don't! Never mind, increasing the congestion charge in London will solve the problem of global warming! Good old Ken, the superhero! Oh wouldn't it be nice if I could get a bus to work, or a bus to Keighley on a Saturday, or an evening, without taking me several hours. Or my son could get a train back to university on a Sunday. Or if the government had supported a tram system for Leeds. Maybe the government should concentrate their efforts on sorting out the abysmal public transport system in this country to convince us to use it instead of taxing us so we are unable to travel! Though, I'd happily pay more road tax IF I was convinced it was to be used to improve public transport, but it ain't ever going to happen! |
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| wahiba |
I agree. I have often wondered about the legal situation where a manufacturer promotes a vehicle that can break the law. |
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| grandad |
Here is a thought. increase fuel tax then them as use more pay more. the way some of these youngans go taring about they most get though a hell of a lot more fuel than us olduns who go steady and stay within't law. P.S. my spell checker is a yorkshire one. |
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| wahiba |
Increasing fuel tax makes it regressive, the rich can still afford it, but the poor cannot. Also it penalises people in country areas who need their own transport and have to drive longer distances. Far better a hi-tech road pricing system based on time, vehicle and place. So a 5 litre car on any road in London pays say £50/km peak down to £10/km off peak. In the Dales they pay say 5p/km on the road, but 0p/km off road, i.e. when working. As market days could be programmed into the system their main road charges could be less on market days than others. I know it is complicated, but it is fair in that each pays according to their needs and situation. Essential car users, such as Doctors etc. could be built into the system, with penalties for abuse. A lot of people refer to this in terms of big brother, when what they really mean is that they still want to abuse the environment, clog up the roads and generally take the I'm alright Jack attitude. |
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