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Topic : gas works |
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| skippy |
just got an email telling me that the gas works are to be on kirkgate from mon feb 8th for approx 3 weeks  elliot st to new road HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN |
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| alan |
The e-mail........... I would like to make you aware of some essential gas work that is due to start in Kirkgate, Silsden. Work is due to start on Monday February 8th 2010 for a three week period.The work will be undertaken in Kirkgate from the junction of Elliott Street to the junction of New Road.The purpose of the work is to replace the gas supplies to individual properties from the new main that was laid last year. To enable us to carry out this work safely, traffic will be controlled by two way temporary traffic lights. These will be manually controlled for the whole of the working day to maintain the flow of traffic at peak times. Work will also take place in Howden Road and Hainsworth Road but it is not anticipated that this will have any significant impact on the flow of traffic. I will be spending time next week speaking to people within the community who will be affected by this work and if you have a town council meeting arranged I will be happy to attend with some of my colleges. |
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| jbrare |
Well isn't that just fantactic! Why couldn't they do this when they dug the road up over summer!! |
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| DoubleD |
Unfortunatley it's not as simple as just digging a hole and whacking everything in. I work in the water sector so can have some sympathy for the people carrying out the gas works. Firstly they may not have known the state of the individual house connections when the work started to lay the new main so it may be a completely new package of work. It's pretty difficult to know exactly what is where when it's under the road. It may be that the new main is a different material to the old one and the connections need to be replaced as well. I imagine that they will have carried out a detailed survey of what was there and what it was made from when they first dug up the road. Also as daft as it seems they may have different contractors to lay the mains and connect the houses. This means that to comply with contract frameworks they will have to pay one contractor to lay the new main and another to fit the connections. That's due to a one glove fits all management approach. It could also be as simple as waiting for materials from manufacturers. Either way it meant that they either had the road dug up for 3 weeks longer the first time or another 3 weeks this time. It doesn't take long to dig the road back up and reinstate it but will add a bit onto the cost. In an ideal world it would be best to be able to do it in one go I agree but unfortunatley even with the best planning in the world it rarely happens. |
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| skippy |
incompitense springs to mind  |
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| pumbajunior |
why cant it be like the carlsberg advert when the holes open the workman says anyone else what to put anything down here ive got some phone lines etc |
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| alan |
I agree skippy, unfortunately DoubleD you aren't aware of all the facts and are just making assumptions |
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| Fred |
Could the reason they didn't complete the job last time was they ran out of time (bad planning) and would have had to pay a large penalty. This is a new year and they can dig the road up again and call it a new job. |
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| alan |
Yes Fred |
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| tetleydrinker |
quoteI agree skippy, unfortunately DoubleD you aren't aware of all the facts and are just making assumptions Alan, it sounds like you have all the facts, why not share them with us on here. Or is it a secret |
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| alan |
Read wot Fred said! |
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| tetleydrinker |
I've read what Fred said, but do you have confirmation of this from the Utility companies involved ? or is it just another assumption ? |
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| pumbajunior |
had a letter through this morning saying there gonna be doing this from early feb to early march just had a thought surely this means there going to be digging the newly laid road up on keighley road and yes it is work they didnt carry out last year as there doing residents supplys to the new main pipe that they should have done when they were here before fine them for being late by a month fine them for trying to make it look like its a new job make them pay for the road to be freshly laid again as i bet they were waiting for all works to be done before they repaved keighley road if mr stud on board had actually done some work instead of just dangerous driving and sleeping and if the fat controller who spouted lies at the meeting and was seen looking smug and looking at the scenery on the canal had actually got stuck in maybe it would have been finished last year as promised now weres my hot branding irons and ducking stool |
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| tetleydrinker |
The recent post states "and yes it is work they didnt carry out last year as there doing residents supplys to the new main pipe that they should have done when they were here before" Pumbajunior, Are your comments assumptions or does it state it in the correspondence. If it does why not scan the relevant pieces and post them or transcribe then onto the forum Lets see the evidence from yourself or any other recipients of the letter. |
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| Peter |
Item 4 on Silsden Town Council Agenda for the meeting on Thursday 4 Feb 2010 (7.30pm) 4. David Greenwood and representatives from UU to discuss impending gas works due to commence 8/2/10. This is an open meeting, turn up at the Town Hall and find out for yourself what's going on! More details: www.silsden.net/town_council/docs_10/10_meetings/STC_meeting_agenda_Feb2010.pdf  |
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| hermione fraggle |
I think Pumbajunior was venting his futsrations that once again we are facing disruption. Just when we thought it was safe to be able to do do things in the front garden we are being threatened with it being dug up again. Just when we got a nice new road surface that doesn't make a ton of noise when lorry trailers bounce over the holes then we are having the street dug up again. Surely you can understand that this would make residents peeved to put it mildly! |
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| Peter |
Go to the STC meeting on Thursday and ask for a public adjournment, you will then be able to put your point of view about it. |
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| alan |
Before we all go off at a tangent, please be aware they will be digging up Kirkgate BETWEEN Elliot Street and New Road (see e-mail above) and a portion of the bottom of Howden Road. The works are supposed to last for THREE weeks. |
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| alan |
Is that the area you live in Hermione? |
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| pumbajunior |
nope were on keighley road but as we had a letter and as we havent been hooked upto the new main (as far as im aware) i took that to mean they were doing keighley road too |
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| alan |
The second post above is the actual e-mail sent to the council pumba, what exactly did your letter say? |
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| Peter |
When did they ever tell us what they are doing. They tell what they intend to do, but unfortunately that is not the same thing. |
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| hermione fraggle |
@ Alan - We live between the Bridge Pub and the Shell Garage. I think I have shredded the letter and recycled it, will check when I get home later, but it mentioned that sometime between the 8 Feb and sometime in March they would be needing access to our property to disconnect our gas main and to reconnect it later. We had the same letter last summer but they did not disconnect any of the properties on our row of houses. I think it mentioned about the road works but can't remember the exact content but I am assuming they will have to dig outside our house to connect us to the main. |
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| Dave |
Traffic was queuing along the by-pass from the Crosshills side tonight. It was actually quicker to walk into Silsden than to drive in. (I was walking up from the station) |
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| alan |
And while the traffic was queuing the big dollop controlling the lights was throwing his safety helmet in the air to see how high he throw it and catch it! Where do they find these numpties? |
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| pumbajunior |
when you walk past they never seem to be doing anything maybe troffing a pasty or haveing a brew but no work being done were the lights actually working when he was conduting the hat height experiments Alan? |
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| Peter |
Alan, perhaps you could pass on these forum addresses to that nice Mr Greenwood at Bradford - so he can see what we think of how United Utilities are carrying out the gas pipe work. www.silsden.net/forum/philboard_latest.asp www.silsden.net/forum/philboard_read.asp?id=1881 I would like to thank Mr Greenwood for being so prompt at getting the ban on 7.5 ton vehicles in place so quickly, it will make a huge difference to the congestion through Silsden - can we have it permanently in place please? Just one small note on the position of the signs, the 7.5 ton + lorry could be committed to going through Silsden before seeing the sign. |
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| hermione fraggle |
quote Yes I have noticed that. Whenc coming in from Addingham/Ilkley the sign is not until you actually get onto the cringles road perhaps it should be resighted to just before you have made the turn up onto cringles. But I guess at least it is there. I have to say there has a been a huge drop in the number of large HGV's I have hardly seen any this week, so at least drivers are taking note. |
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| grandad |
Some of the car drivers could help by being a little more thoughtful, last night 17.30hrs, I came down Station Rd Steeton to the roundabout, I had already decided to go onto Kildwick and back alone the top Rd home, but some numpty was parked in the left hand lane waiting for a gap so they could get across to the Silsden Rd, unfortunately he/she was blocking everyone who wanted to turn left towards Skipton, result gridlock, I eventually went into the right hand lane and past round the front of him/her to turn left. If they had looked ahead before getting to the roundabout, it was obvious the rd was blocked, so why not do as I did, or get into the right hand lane go round the roundabout and join the queue from that side instead of blocking the entire rd? |
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| alan |
quotewhen you walk past they never seem to be doing anything maybe troffing a pasty or haveing a brew but no work being done were the lights actually working when he was conduting the hat height experiments Alan? Actually having a smoke leaning on the trailer today pumba |
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| skippy |
this is why cllr johnson gill and myself INSISTED on lollipops instead of lights, but we got no firm backing you reap what you sow cllrs |
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| pumbajunior |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quote quotewhen you walk past they never seem to be doing anything maybe troffing a pasty or haveing a brew but no work being done were the lights actually working when he was conduting the hat height experiments Alan? Actually having a smoke leaning on the trailer today pumba when i went past could believe it 2 in a hole digging one in another hole digging with digger driver helping thought hell had frozen over (it is a bit nippy atm) then got upto the duck pond 2 with there backs to me blocking the path and eating pasties the pastie and pie consession in Silsden must be going through roof |
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| Pennypeck |
quoteSome of the car drivers could help by being a little more thoughtful, last night 17.30hrs, I came down Station Rd Steeton to the roundabout, I had already decided to go onto Kildwick and back alone the top Rd home, but some numpty was parked in the left hand lane waiting for a gap so they could get across to the Silsden Rd, unfortunately he/she was blocking everyone who wanted to turn left towards Skipton, result gridlock, I eventually went into the right hand lane and past round the front of him/her to turn left. If they had looked ahead before getting to the roundabout, it was obvious the rd was blocked, so why not do as I did, or get into the right hand lane go round the roundabout and join the queue from that side instead of blocking the entire rd? Grandad, If I understand you correctly, then the numpty could have been me. I would also have been in the LH lane before exiting Station Rd, Steeton when heading for Silsden and will continue to do so. Why? Several reasons. 1. The markings in the road clearly designate the LH lane for both turning left towards Skipton and for going straight on towards Silsden. The RH lane is clearly marked for vehicles making a right turn towards Keighley (or further around the roundabout). 2. If the roundabout had been unmarked, the protocol observed by most is that traffic hugs the centre of the roundabout and gradually spirals out into the outside lane just prior to exiting the roundabout. The wide neck of the Silsden exit is probably there more to help turning traffic filter in than it is to assist people taking the short route straight across the roundabout. In numpty's case, he was already at the point on the roundabout when he should have been moving to the outside lane of the roundabout, so no point going into the other lane in the first place. 3. At the time stated, the inside lane of the roundabout is often full with cars arriving from Keighley and turning towards Silsden, to an extent where such traffic is often stationary on the roundabout, thus blocking the lane where you suggested numpty should have gone. 4. Any person that chooses to do what you did, pulling around and in front of numpty, only exacerbates numpty's dilemna by taking away some of his chances of getting out. Further, the chance of a broadside collision between that car and numpty is surely increased. You were playing a dangerous game. 5. You probably wouldn't dream of doing what you did, that is approach in the outside lane then turn left, at any of the other 3 junctions on that same roundabout, so why is the Steeton junction any different? Unless you are a taxi or a BMW driver, I can't think of a logical reason why you did what you did. |
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| grandad |
The markings on the Rd leading up to a roundabout are not mandatory they are for guidance only! By stopping in the left hand lane you blocked the Rd for anybody wanting to turn left, there were plenty of gaps in the traffic where you could have gone across onto the roundabout (If it was you in front of me), as I said in my previous post you could have gone onto the roundabout then all the way round it to join the traffic queuing to get into Silsden, by just sitting there waiting for a written invitation to proceed you proved to us all you need some more advanced driver training. |
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| alan |
Grandad and Pennypeck, ain't this a bit off topic? Why don't you exchange e-mail addresses and debate your driving habits in private? |
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| daisy |
The traffic was backing onto the dual carriageway again tonight at about 5.20. The lights were manned but obviously the guy hadn't got a clue about the traffic sitiation at the roundabout. Is this an accident waiting to happen? The traffic on the Bolton Road side stopped near the Memorial Gardens. |
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