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Topic : Should he stay or should he go? |
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| Fred |
You can support Jeremy C for as little as £1 per year (but would you want to) Standard rate £3.92/month (£47/year) Reduced* £1.96/month (£23.50/year) Veteran £1/year Under 27 £1/month (£12/year) Youth £1/year Student £1/year www.join.labour.org.uk/static/pdf/join.pdf He believes he has a mandate from the members, but how many of them are left wing / right wing extremist? |
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| dexter |
You can also join and then vote for someone else who stands against Corbyn... that might be more useful.... Labour then might stand a chance of winning in 2020. |
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| Grandparent |
labour have no chance of winning a general election, nor will they until they remember why they were founded. Currently there are three conservative parties. All sucking up to the city. This country needs industry not insurance, production not set aside. We as a nation have a unique opportunity to start producing again, our farmers need to be able to produce and sell to the home market, not restricted to keep prices high. Manufacturers should be able to produce quality products, not be held back by competition rules which allow poor quality foreign imports. British engineering was the envy of the world, we can't build our own trains now. Just my opinion. |
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| Bricol |
Don't get too tied up on the idea we aren't "allowed" to compete. British Engineering is allowed to produce quality products. My company does, and we sell all over the world, and we still will. We use other quality British engineering companies for components we can't make because we haven't the capacity, or the time, from all over the UK, from the south coast well into the far north. If they make to drawings, the right component, deliver on time, then they are busy, and not just from us. Make crap, or fail to hit deadlines, then they soon close. It's not good making quality products - someone has to buy them - and we're lucky that people do. That scales down into what the British public can do - when was the last time your average member of the public bought something because it was British made, rather than because it was the cheapest? Same with UK farmers - they too can sell only if you buy - and I bet if the cost of food went up to cover the real costs of production and allow a decent profit, there'd be complaints. |
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| old_miner |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) I actually do try and buy Made in Britain, but it can be pretty difficult. One problem is that companies that still manufacture in the UK also buy in from abroad. They have to compete so I am not knocking them. However there are rather a number of anomalies. A Snugpak jacket made in Silsden was priced around £120. A Rohan jacket of the same type made in Vietnam was priced around £200!! Interestingly Rohan started locally about 40 years ago and has been through a number of hands. I do think we are being ripped off with some imports as there is no home manufacturer competing. By the way I am not knocking the quality of the Vietnamese made stuff. Of course pricing is based on what the market will stand and if people pay the high prices then that is it. I am not happy about Brexit, but the only good point is that with a falling pound exports will get cheaper. Question is how far does it have to drop before manufacturers start recruiting and training for large scale production. At least there will be a good pool of labour to start from as all the redundancies will come from the service non jobs. Discovered the other day that the last piano make in Britain is up the hill from Bolton Abbey, Cavendish pianos. Cricket bats from Silsden, what other manufacturing acorns are their locally that a manufacturing revival could spring from? Finally I agree that is not the EU that prevents us from competing, and making trains but incompetent inept management. If high cost Germany can do it why can't we? Well it is the productivity deficit. Productivity is basically the efficiency of industry and we are around 30% below the Germans, and the French. As it is obviously not every company there must be some pretty awful places to average with those who manage it. The inept managements are those that do not invest in high productive machinery and treat their workforce badly, zero hours contracts are the classic example. Japan progressed after WW2 by following the advice of an American called Deming. He told them to concentrate on quality rather than targets, performance bonuses etc. They did, we did not. Finally I have never known a system of performance related pay that worked. Plenty seem to when introduced, but everyone ends up being manipulated by the workforce and/or management to the detriment of efficiency and quality. This applies to service and manufacturing alike. |
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| Peter |
But should he stay or should he go? |
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| dexter |
Fred.. since you posted this subject 60000 people have joined the Labour Party, how do you do it? You can buy my lottery ticket this week....! We don't know how they will all vote, but my guess is that they are all Momentum people to vote for Corbyn... |
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| Fred |
I think what we are witnessing is the destruction of the Labour Party. The new members may be joining to vote for Corbyn but not necessarily for the good of the party. Corbyn has no support from his parliamentary colleagues and without that Labour cannot be an opposition, or a credible party to win an election. I would suspect most of the new members are joining to keep Corbyn as leader and so destroy the Labour Party. It’s difficult to see with the current selection process, courtesy of Ed Milliban, how Corbyn can be ousted from his current position. The man has no morals. |
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| gazzer |
Labour supporters cant see it but The Socialist Workers Party have taken over the Labour Party. Have a look at the SWP website and see what you think.At least with the Tories UKIP had the decency to run as an individual party. https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/42995/Fight+to+stop+the+Labour+rights+scheme+to+oust+Jeremy+Corbyn |
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| Bricol |
Probably ought to step this sideways to a new thread . . but . . .  I discovered over 10yrs ago when working in Germany (actually, thinking about it -16 yrs ago - time flies!), that I was amused to find a similar thought to what we seem to have about German goods. Over here, we are told about high German quality. Over there, they are told about superior British quality Truth is, they're pretty similar, good and bad, just as inept when required. Prior to that I worked in the USA - and the company employing me had to prove I wasn;t taking the job of a similarly quailfied American. Ie prove my qualification (Hons degree) was as good as a US qualification (of course!), and that they had advertised the position, and interviewed, and failed to find a suitable home grown talent. Which is what would be good here. WHat is good in the US, they do slap front and centre on stuff, "Made in the USA",to try to attract and keep custom. But if you think the UK is bad for imports - try to find anything in the US that isn't made in China! And there's some very good reasons why Detroit was pretty much abandoned! |
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| dexter |
I think Fred and gazzer are right, the Trots have taken over and are using Corbyn's so-called good image to get themselves into power. The Labour MP's have seen at close hand what is going on, and are trying to save the party, but it's too late, sadly. The unions are financing it all, and will pay the price when the truth eventually comes out, but they don't care because the union leaders are all on fat-cat pay and pension packages, courtesy of their members. Let's hope Corbyn goes, I want to vote Labour again, but I'm not holding my breath... |
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| old_miner |
Re the German/British attitude to each others products. A German told me that bike sold in the UK with a German name are the same as those sold in Germany under the Raleigh brand! |
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| Fred |
Now old miner why would you want to change the subject, you must have an opinion on your leader? |
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| old_miner |
What leader/s? |
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| gazzer |
quoteWhat leader/s? Good point..a leader leads |
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