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Topic : These floods |
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| gazzer |
Pointed it out before when we had floods.When they used to build bridges over this beck they built hump back bridges.The bridges into the factory and Belton Road are not hump back and cant take the water. It will happen again because the water has nowhere to go. |
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| alliecoward |
it will happen again because we are set to live in a much wetter climate. |
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| gazzer |
Im afraid it happens because modern civil engineering works on what might happen.In years gone buy a bridge design was based on what has happened. The wetter climate only means it will happen more often |
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| Peter |
The floods at Habasit Rossi yesterday were caused by the water backing up from the bridge/culvert site entrance, there was just nowhere for the excess water to go other than in the car park.  If a branch or tree had got stuck under ANY of the bridges along this stretch the water damage could have been much worse. The water was not as high as the floods we had in August 2002 - see www.silsden.net/news/2002_02aug_floods/index.htm Another picture which was familiar from previous floods was the lake by Marsel in Belton Road. Why hasn't a channel been cut through to the fields a long time ago? 21 Jan 2008  2 Aug 2002  |
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| alan |
Good stuff Peter...... |
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| Dave |
At least the ducks know what to do .... they were in the same place yesterday as they were in 2002. |
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| alan |
Yep and the ducks had more sense than some people, like the ones I saw letting their dog swim in the beck!  |
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| ishy |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteThe bridge to the old Gala field, is that the bridge shown in the photo ?. For some reason growing up as a kid in Silsden, I remember snow level wi wall top, the beck overflowing, and long warm summers. Is what used to be a normal cycle for that part of the world, what off cummed un's call global warming.  |
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| alan |
Yep you got it right 'ishy'!  Yorkshire's worse 'cos it's full of 4x4's! |
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| Peter |
Ishy This is the bridge to the old Gala field (it's the next one down from the Habasit Rossi entrance, and where the horses are:  |
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| gazzer |
The water is not even upto the top of the left hand arch.I bet if you measure this bridge will have at least 70% extra capacity than the bridges to Habasit and Belton Road |
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| ishy |
Some good pictures of the flooding Peter, I phoned our lad yesterday and bar a bit of water backing up through the drain into the shop celler he had no other problems, has it gone down some from yesterday?. I must say I can't remember the cut over flowing the bank. |
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| pumbajunior |
quotewhen i saw it (standing by shell garage) i thought it was because the beck was taking a short cut over the corner of the car park (i didnt see the worst of it though) |
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| Loafer |
Yep you got it right 'ishy'! Yorkshire's worse 'cos it's full of 4x4's! Why? |
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| alan |
A joke 'Loafer', sort of attempt at humour....... |
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| grandad |
Years ago when Clay's wanted to build on the land to the left (Coming up the hill) of Silsden Rd in Addingham, they were forced by Bradford to put in 2 massive oblong concrete openings through the bridge they built across a little beck which runs down that field, they also had to erect railings across the top of the bridge to allow any overflow to get down the water course, the amount of water that flows down there is only a fraction of the amount carried by our river Cobby. So why did Bradford allow Belton Rd to be built with only two little round pipes running under the road? They are the problem, the water that backs up from them used to flood into marsels, until he built a dam all the way round his premises, now it backs even further up. |
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| Peter |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Although I didn't take a picture of the water going through the Belton Road culvert I can't remember it being a problem on Monday, or the water backing up from there. It was backing up at the Habasit Rossi bridge, as you can see in the photograph. The lake in Belton Road was caused by water leaking through the wall from the beck by the old gala field. The water ran down Keighley Road and did a left turn into Belton Road - big dip in the road and the result was a big lake! |
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| alan |
Does anyone know when the Habasit Rossi bridge was built? |
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| alliecoward |
quite a while ago now alan, when it was ponden mill. |
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| gazzer |
The Belton Road Bridge slows the water enough to back up to the Habasit bridge.If the water flows away ok after the Belton Road bridge then it proves it. |
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| Dave |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteLaxton Crawford were in the mill from the late 1970's Not sure if that is when the mill was built though. |
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| alliecoward |
is that when the bridge was built? |
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| alan |
I'd still be very interested in what year the bridges were built. Can you help, Peter? |
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| coby1 |
going of the subject of the floods laxton`s was built in the mid 70`s and a few years later it was use in a TV series about a mill owner and a yorkshire and village can`t remeber the name of the show |
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| grandad |
Alan, I don't know when the bridge was built, but I have just looked at an old ordinance survey map dated 1966 and it is not shown on that. |
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| skippy |
tut tut alan you and alliecoward in your prominent positions should know when the mill was built. maybe the 60s is too far back for you. |
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| alan |
I suspected that "skippy" but wanted somebody to tell me, particularly as everybody wants to blame Bradford. If it is the 60's that surely wouldn't make them the guilty party! |
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| alliecoward |
I was'nt even a twinkle in my fathers' eye then skippy!!! |
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| skippy |
SILSDEN U DC always kept becks/dykes clear maybe if BRADFORD did the same things like this would not happen as often. the problem is not just at the mills bridge but more so at belton road bridge.if you saw the water pouring over the wall at MARCEL you would see THE PROBLEM /it is there where the water holds.the pipe under belton road is too small.look at the bridge between here and habasit it is a double arch therefore should any bridge below not have been the same not less; quart into pint pot springs to mind. |
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| wahiba |
The Cassini OS reproduction of the 1930s shows two bridges, I think. None obvious on the 1850s version though. |
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| pumbajunior |
someone mentioned a while back about beck clearing is this a usual community event? if so all i need is wellies and im there (probably best in spring though) |
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| Saskatoon Berry |
Peter - many thanks for all the super phtographs of the Silsden Floods. Our three 'kids' who now live in Calgary were 'right impressed'!! Thanks. |
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| Peter |
I have just come across this excellent film on YouTube by Wahiba. uk.youtube.com/watch?v=peHOv3_tRbY It clearly shows the culvert under Belton Road being inadequate for the amount of water flowing in the Beck. The lack of tunnel capacity causes the water to back up and flooding to occure at the likes of Habasit. On the 21 Jan 2008 the water formed a lake in Belton Road, this is not the first time this has happened! Belton Road is the only road that can be used as access for the industrial park and many residential houses. Given the amount of disruption to business and potential for damage I think the Town Council should be campaigning for a solution for these problems, but I have not seen any mention of the problems in the council agendas. Perhaps I have missed it but I think the problems of the Beck flooding should be given a high profile. Beck flooding problems will happen again unless we do something now to ease the flow of water to the river Aire. |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) There has been ongoing discussion about the beck and dialogue with the Environment Agency. Indeed it was mentioned at the last meeting that, as I recall, the Environment Agency is responsible from the Post Office bridge downwards. Whether they ever do anything about it is another matter! We do not appear to be very high on their priorities. This is something that should also be aimed at the three Distriuct Councillors for their support. Their e-mail addresses are on here for anyone who wants to contact them. |
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| alan |
Excellent video by the way 'wahiba', if you could get a copy to the TC I am sure they would more than willingly send it off as evidence to the Environment Agency with the necessary worded letter |
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| Peter |
Thanks Alan, perhaps you could keep us informed of any progress here. I'm sure you can rely on the community for support if required. I think we need to jump up and down a bit on this and not let it rest but we need to know when to jump! |
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