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Topic : another accident at bolton rd/bell sq junction |
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| dogcatcher |
another accident at this junction,partially caused by delivery van parked on double yellow lines outside the take away and a car pulling out hitting a car passing the van  |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
IS the white Peugot in the King carpark the bi product of it? |
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| dogcatcher |
yes |
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| grandad |
This wasn’t an accident it was a collision! Had either of the drivers been taking sufficient notice of full picture then one or both could/would have stopped before hitting each other? Observation, anticipation Never put your vehicle anywhere that your eyes and mind haven’t already been. I followed the Ilkley bus up Bolton road on Thursday morning, between the bus and my car was another car; when the bus stopped at Pickard lane the car in front sped past the bus; the driver oblivious of the car whose driver had decided that he could get out of the road end whilst the bus was stopped fortunately they missed each other, Same thing! |
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| Peter |
Accident, collision or call it what you will, there have been too many incidents at the Bell Square / Bolton Road juncion and something should be done to make this junction safer. I have a sneaky suspicion that if there isn't an injury then not all the accidents which occure on this junction are reported to the police. Perhaps someone will know how many incidents the police think have occured at this junction and we can enlighten them |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
It is a point of law, that any vehicular incident, whether any injuries are sustained or not, must be reports to the police. If we had a station or officer in Silsden, the process would be far easier to monitor and maintain. This morning, there was a ANPR unit and no less than 5 mobile units on the stretch of bypass between Steeton and Kildwick, then on the various layby's on the way into Skipton. There are, quite obviously, the officers available! |
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| gazzer |
quote This morning, there was a ANPR unit and no less than 5 mobile units on the stretch of bypass between Steeton and Kildwick, then on the various layby's on the way into Skipton. There are, quite obviously, the officers available! Its two completely different methods of policing roads. West Yorkshire police would rather catch someone doing 33 in a 30 zone(speed cameras) than catch drivers who know they are or will break the law when they drive their car. North Yorkshire Police put traffic officers out on the road in both routine and planned operations Here is a recent story from last weeks Craven Herald. A driver fined for bad driving www.cravenherald.co.uk/news/10214439.Driver_fined_after_police_saw_him_cross_white_lines/ When did that last happen in West Yorkshire. To sum up all those police you saw were all North Yorkshire Police so you will not be seeing them is Silsden |
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| Peter |
quoteIt is a point of law, that any vehicular incident, whether any injuries are sustained or not, must be reports to the police. If we had a station or officer in Silsden, the process would be far easier to monitor and maintain. Wrong If both parties stopped at the scene and exchanged names and addresses there is no requirement to report the accident to the police. Road traffic law has been complied with and the police will not take a report. Ref https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q425.htm |
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| grandad |
Peter you are right on re reporting a collision. My point about accident verses collision was, the definition of an accident is, “An event proceeding from an unknown cause.” None of the Collisions at this junction fulfil this definition; they were all due to driver error. There isn’t such a thing as a dangerous road, only roads that need greater care when they are being used. Peter you are right on re reporting a collision. My point about accident verses collision was, the definition of an accident is, “An event proceeding from an unknown cause.” None of the Collisions at this junction fulfil this definition; they were all due to driver error. There isn’t such a thing as a dangerous road, only roads that need greater care when they are being used. |
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| Loafer |
grandad, if the parties involved in this incident had the wherewithall to photograph and report the illegally parked delivery van I don't think this would be put down to 'driver error' as you imply. |
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| gazzer |
quotegrandad, if the parties involved in this incident had the wherewithall to photograph and report the illegally parked delivery van I don't think this would be put down to 'driver error' as you imply. A van can not have parked outside the takeaway because when I objected to planning permission the applicant said there are plenty of car parks near by so vehicles would not park on the double yellow lines. And I am sure the council would have read my objection and satisfied themselves that no vehicles would ever park there, wouldn't they?. |
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| jonno |
I'm sure I said the same thing in my objection in relation to customer's parking on Bolton road to pick up their orders and the same response was given to me, yet I keep seeing cars half on the kerb with their hazards flashing. Must be a very unlucky spot for breakdowns is all I can think. It's down to people rushing out of this junction and people putting their foot down as they start to go up the hill. I can have some sympathy with the driver pulling out with his view obstructed by the van, he should have creeped and peeped a bit more, and a bit less sympathy with the driver who ran into him. Unless the driver on Bolton road didn't know the area he should have been aware there was a junction just the other side of the van and slowed down to pass with more care in case a car was pulling out, like one was. |
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| grandad |
Loafer, how do you know the van was parked illegally? If the driver was unloading it would not be a crime! Anyway regardless of the van or any other reason for the view to be obscured, it is down to the drivers to check and make SURE the road is clear, a good driver only goes at a speed that allows them to stop in the distance they can see to be clear. If drivers can’t cope with the roads has they are? Then they should either give up their licence or get some more training. |
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| Peter |
Grandad, just accept the fact that there have been a lot of accidents at this junction and drivers are stupid. They should be protected from their own incompetence by improving the junction.  |
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| gazzer |
quoteLoafer, how do you know the van was parked illegally? If the driver was unloading it would not be a crime! Lots of ifs and buts. Was the driver unloading or loading, and was it within restricted loading times displayed on the lampost and indicated by the kerb markings?. Had the driver stooped to collect a takeaway? which does not constitute unloading/loading. Was the van parked near a junction? |
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| grandad |
Gazzer, why pick only the first bit of my post? the rest of it explains what I am trying to get accross, Whatever you see on the road, note the hazard and drive accordingly. To qoute my dad "If there is something needs doing, don't rely on the other driver doing it; do it yourself." |
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