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Topic : Under Age Drinking |
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| alan |
Nice to see they are on the ball - Test Purchasing Operation Scores Success In Ilkley Ilkley Neighbourhood Police have reminded licencees they will act against those serving under age drinkers following an operation last weekend. Together with Trading Standards officers the team conducted two test purchasing operations at premises in Ilkley and Silsden on Saturday April 25, to check for under age sales. In Ilkley a staff member in one premises was find £80 for serving two alcoholic drinks to minors, while a member of staff in another premises in Silsden was also fined the same amount for the illegal sale of two alcoholic drinks. Inspector Sue Sanderson of the Ilkley Neighbourhood Police Team, said: “Unger age drinking is an issue which we take seriously at the Ilkley NPT and we have been pleased to work in partnership with Trading Standards officers on this operation. “This should serve as a reminder that we are monitoring licensed premises and businesses which sell alcohol and will take action if appropriate. " The inspector added that the operation had been carried out at the request of residents regarding reports of under age drinking. “We are aware that residents have had concerns about under age alcohol sales and this shows we will act,” she added." |
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| jonno |
next they need to do the same thing for all the off-license shops, it seems to me that's where most under-age drinkers get their booze from. |
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| alan |
Tell Crimestoppers which ones then jonno............ |
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| ginjo |
wonder which premises it was, anyone know? |
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| angusmecoatup |
I turned 2 young girls away from the Kings Arms because they had no ID to prove they were 18 this is standard practise by all the bar staff at the Kings Arms .Yes we do have under 18s in but they are only served soft drinks. Trading Standards appear to prefer to use young girls to make test purchases !!! |
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| gazzer |
Was it a pub or a shop? |
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| bogtoss |
wow some one sold a can of lager to an under age drinker "big crime" right stop all under age drinkers? what happens next they buy drugs then we all have problems drunk kids sober up drug users carry on and on, I had my first drink in the grouse when I was 15 and I expect most of you had a drink before you were 18 |
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| gazzer |
quotewow some one sold a can of lager to an under age drinker "big crime" right stop all under age drinkers? what happens next they buy drugs then we all have problems drunk kids sober up drug users carry on and on, I had my first drink in the grouse when I was 15 and I expect most of you had a drink before you were 18 I am sure we all had an odd drink whilst underage.I wouldnt have dared to go home drunk underage.The big difference now is kids drink themselves to oblivion and cause mayhem.Then when they get to 18 they move from the park to the pub and drink themselves to oblivion and cause mayhem. You dont really have a case for getting rid of the 18 years old rule |
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| alan |
Quite right gazzer! The simple fact is that it's illegal, perhaps we should be like some US states and make it 21 with severe penalties! I've always thought it's slightly unfair that they can get away with it while the seller will get proseceuted. The fact is they are quilty of deception! The frightening thing is that bogtoss might be a parent one day! |
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| Billy b |
so "bosshog"whats it to be?get the police onto the underage drinkers and leave thieves n fraudsters alone or just let the kids drink themselves silly and make other peoples lives missrable??? You dont seem to know wot should be happening yourself........not in politics are you??? |
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| Keith Lemon |
The onus should be on the "seller". Teenagers will always push the boundaries. If they asked to see I.D more readily, it could stay at 18 no problem. The problem of the oldest in the group going in to buy the alcohol is a dificult one, but shouldn't be hard to spot if they try to buy a 24 pack at 9pm!! Just step outside to see who's with them, remember their face and don't sell it to them next time!! |
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| pumbajunior |
just id everyone that would stop it |
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| Loafer |
Or 'two strikes' and a merchant loses their license to sell alcohol perhaps? |
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| Keith Lemon |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) last 2 comments are what i'm saying. 18 is fine as a minimum age so long as the seller establishes they really are 18 or over, any doubts it's up to the seller to be sure, problem solved. 2 chances would be fine but they shouldn't need 2 chances if they were checking I.D. If the "buyers" were genuine they would understand, and regular customers would only be asked for I.D once anyway. |
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| jonno |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) I think this is a problem of society not caring and having a double standard. It's OK to go out and get blathered and make a nuisance and disgrace of yourself if you're over 18 but not if your under 18. When the reality is it's not OK to get pissed and be an idiot whatever age you are. We send out one message with the drinking laws and another entirely by our behavior. Also I have been approached a few times by youths, girls each time incidentally, who've asked me to go in and buy some cans for them. I've refused but some must agree or they wouldn't ask. Those who do it need prosecuting. Maybe the CCTV cameras could identify those transactions where someone comes out and hands over bags of booze to youths. The last time I saw a group of youngsters with a big bag full of cans, obviously booze, they were crossing from the greengrocers and going into the library gardens. Where would they have got that from? I've seen age checks being done in the Co-op so has someone bought it for them? |
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| bogtoss |
Alan I do have kids and I hope they are wise enough to understand what drinking can lead to, having said that get of young peoples backs Silsden is a good place to live most young kids I meet and talk to in our town have always been polite to me and I do know a lot of them. Now go four miles down the road to keighley people mugged on the street, gangs fighting with sticks, knives etc murders, women having stones thrown at there cars etc cause of all mayhem under age drinkers no no no no its are friends the muslims maybe if they had a few lagers it might calm them down who knows.  |
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| Keith Lemon |
jonno - i agree it's not all down to being 18 means being sensible, but it's near enough the right age. Bogtoss - i'm from keighley and i'm not muslim, i don't see what that has to do with it, the thread is about under age drinking. I'm also 40 yr old and had my 1st pint in the royal at 13 by the way... all i am now is fat and unfit sooner than i should be!! |
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| bogtoss |
Keith if people link under age drinking as the cause of most of the trouble on the streets? it is only right to state the case of the problems in keighley that are not drink related. young people drink because there is nothing to do and please do not come back with the old chestnut of "when I was a lad" any one who has kids knows what I am on about kids grow up a lot faster in this modern age, one of my lads is 12 but he is like me when I was 15 |
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| Keith Lemon |
i have 3 kids and i'm not a lazy parent. If i have to pick up or drop off at awkward times of the day i do to make sure i know where they are. If this is 1am at rooder on a saturday night (at an under 18's night of course) then i do, it knackers my saturday night for beer but i'm not lazy and i care where they are and what they are doing!!! The kids who sup in parks must have parents that don't care or don't notice them coming home drunk. I'm not saying your lazy OR that you don't care but kids will do as they see, not as they are told. I wouldn't say "when i was a lad" anyway coz i'm 40 not 80  |
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| grandad |
bogtoss, don't you give us that load of old tripe, (The kids have nothing to do) there are seven hundred kids from Silsden go the South Craven School every day the vast majority behave responsibly it is the very few who go out about Town getting pissed and causing trouble, they are their own worst enemies, if they want to drink then they should find a nice out of the way place, have a few clear up after themselves; so nobody knows they have been there. But they don't they are too thick! |
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| alan |
Worrying - bogtoss 'claims' to be a parent! |
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| alan |
quoteAlan I do have kids and I hope they are wise enough to understand what drinking can lead to, having said that get of young peoples backs Silsden is a good place to live most young kids I meet and talk to in our town have always been polite to me and I do know a lot of them. Now go four miles down the road to keighley people mugged on the street, gangs fighting with sticks, knives etc murders, women having stones thrown at there cars etc cause of all mayhem under age drinkers no no no no its are friends the muslims maybe if they had a few lagers it might calm them down who knows. Not sure which post of mine you are supposed to be replying too! My gripe is exactly that the majority of kids in Silsden ARE decent but the very few cause the problems! Maybe the parents should know what their kids are up too? Maybe that's the problem they don't or don't care! |
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| pumbajunior |
quotebogtoss, don't you give us that load of old tripe, (The kids have nothing to do) there are seven hundred kids from Silsden go the South Craven School every day the vast majority behave responsibly it is the very few who go out about Town getting pissed and causing trouble, they are their own worst enemies, if they want to drink then they should find a nice out of the way place, have a few clear up after themselves; so nobody knows they have been there. But they don't they are too thick! well said grandad when i was about 18/19 most of my mates were a few years younger than me we used to drink in the park in bingley out of the way sometimes taking a portable stereo to play music we wernt smashing things just having a few beers a bit of a laugh and not annoying anyone else sometimes the park rangers would come along have a bit of a chat but as we were not really doing any harm they would leave us alone |
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| Billy b |
Is it just me or can any one else make out what bostog is getting at?One post he's aving a go at under age drinkers then he's supporting them now he's saying muslims in Keighley should be drinking too.What are you on about??? |
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| alan |
Think he's just trying to wind people up Billy b! |
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| bogtoss |
Alan I am a parent and I am bringing up my kids the correct way, the way you come across I can tell you are not one? when I was young the park, the school yards any spare land and even the streets would have kids playing there, if I walk about Silsden now kids just don't play out like they used to "fact" most of the trouble in Silsden is late at night and it is caused by grown up adults leaving the local pubs these same adults may be the parents of the dreaded under age drinkers  |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Single parent with two kids who I have brought up all through their teenage years on my own 'bogtoss', and worked full time! One doesn't even like alcohol, the other drinks responsibly! One at university and the other at college. Please don't make personal comments if you don't know the facts! Just as a p.s. I am also a governor at South Craven and know the issues they have with underage drinkers, i.e. kids going in drunk at certain times of the year! |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 3 time(s) quoteAlan I am a parent and I am bringing up my kids the correct way, the way you come across I can tell you are not one? when I was young the park, the school yards any spare land and even the streets would have kids playing there, if I walk about Silsden now kids just don't play out like they used to "fact" most of the trouble in Silsden is late at night and it is caused by grown up adults leaving the local pubs these same adults may be the parents of the dreaded under age drinkers If you go to a town council meeting, such as last night, you would have heard the issues! The under age drinking is a small but concerning issue, which, among other issues the police are quite correctly dealing. Boozing kids are more than likely to turn in to boozing adults - who you say cause the problem! So do we just ignore them because they are just being kids? I think not! Like always, out of a 1000 plus kids in Silsden I doubt whether more than a dozen cause the problem! As I've said over the years on here the vast majority of the kids in Silsden are excellent. Simple fact is that buying/selling booze to under 18's is illegal, if you don't like it get the law changed. The police are there to uphold ALL laws not pick and choose the ones they like! |
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| alan |
One for bogtoss.........  CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL MY FRIENDS WHO WERE BORN IN THE 1930's 1940's, 50's, 60's and early 70's ! First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us and lived in houses made of asbestos. They took aspirin, ate blue cheese, raw egg products, loads of bacon and processed meat, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes or cervical cancer. Then after that trauma, our baby cots were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints. We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets or shoes, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking. As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags. We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle. Take away food was limited to fish and chips, no pizza shops, McDonalds , KFC, Subway or Nandos.- Do you remember Wimpy bars and their beef burgers! Even though all the shops closed at 6.00pm and didn't open on the weekends, somehow we didn't starve to death! God please close all shops on Sundays again. Make Great Britian GREAT and the United Kingdom UNITED. We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this. We could collect old drink bottles and cash them in at the corner store and buy Toffees, Gobstoppers, Bubble Gum, Aniseed balls, Black Jacks and Mojos We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drinks with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because...... WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!! We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K. We would spend hours building our go-carts out of old prams and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. We built tree houses and dens and played in river beds with matchbox cars. We did not have Playstations, Nintendo Wii , X-boxes, no video games at all, no 999 channels on SKY , no video/dvd films, no PSP no mobile phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them! We fell out of trees, got cut, bruised, broke bones and teeth and there were no Lawsuits from these accidents. Only girls had pierced ears! And that's all they pierced. We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever. You could only buy Easter Eggs and Hot Cross Buns at Easter time... We were given air guns and catapults for our 10th birthdays, We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just yelled for them! Mum didn't have to go to work to help dad make ends meet! RUGBY and CRICKET had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!! Getting into the team was based on MERIT Our teachers used to hit us with canes and gym shoes and bully's always ruled the playground at school. The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law! Our parents didn't invent stupid names for their kids like 'Kiora', 'Blade', 'Ridge' 'Vanilla' 'Troy' nor did they name us after the place we were conceived. "And we never had a whole Mars bar until 1993"!!! We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL ! And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS! You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives 'For our own good'. And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were. |
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| skippy |
yes but they wernt rulled by the bleeding LABOUR party then  unlike now |
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| alan |
Yes they were................ |
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| skippy |
when you had your first mars bar not |
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| bogtoss |
Alan did not mean to offend you and well done for bringing up children on your own its hard enough for two parents never mind just one. On the drinking issue I am more concerned about the drug problems as you may already know you can buy any drug you want in Silsden in a matter of minutes if you know the right people to talk to, last week as you may already know there has been a police presence outside south craven school by the clinic I am sure this will be drug related. I can handle it if one of my kids tried an odd can of lager and I would know how to deal with it but drugs is the one that is frightening I already know of fathers in Silsden who have been involved in fights with there own offspring and the cause is drugs not drink related. |
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| alan |
I agree 'bogtoss' there are a number of things that require resolving, BUT we can't expect the police to ignore things we consider not as important. Over the past few years the police have become far more proactive in the town. If you have information you should pass it on to them. |
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| jonno |
Holy Cow! Alan, I've never seen such a massive thread derail in my entire life, what a train-wreck of a post! I have no idea what point you were trying to make. If people want to drink that's up to them. The law says you have to be 18 to buy alcohol because by then most people can drink responsibly. Sadly some can't and need to be dealt with appropriately when they misbehave, this usually needs police presence because being drunk they won't be reasoned with. I personally think the cost of this should be borne by the individual and the person who supplied them with the booze. On the issue of under-age drinking it's far simpler. Whether they are behaving or not it's illegal to sell them booze. Whoever sells or supplies them with booze needs prosecuting. I couldn't give a flying fart about how bored these young people are, it doesn't mean it's OK to break the law. There are so many things for 'kids' to do to entertain themselves nowadays it's unbelievable, especially with the money they would have spent on the alcohol. I applaud the efforts of the police to catch people serving under 18s and hope they catch and prosecute many more! |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Answering a point bogtoss made jonno............ p.s. agree with your post anyway! |
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