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Topic : Who Should We Vote For? |
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| jacktlad |
The election is'nt far away now and all the news seems to be about the budget and who is best to get us out of the colossal debt we are in. One thing we could do to save a large amount of dosh is to resign our membership of the EU. Apparently this financial year our contribution is to be (wait for it) £6.6 billion. Why don't we come out when we have a mass of overpaid thieving MPs and a huge number of civil servants to run the country. What are we paying them for? We of course won't come out because although it would be good for us the MPs wont vote for it as it's good for them. They know that once they have finished in the UK the EU will take them in at up to £325,000 per year. We're just victims of the corrupt. |
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| ted |
yeah lets cut ourselves from europe....thats a really good idea |
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| gazzer |
quote yeah lets cut ourselves from europe....thats a really good idea We need to stick with Europe... Brown has ruined our economy whilst Europe goes from strength to strength just look at Greece and Portugal |
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| ted |
if you knew anything about politics instead of just going off what you read in the sun then you'd be well aware the global recession cannot be blamed on brown and that his reign as chancellor of this country is regarded as the most prosperous ever. low unemployment, low inflation, minimum wage etc etc etc etc etc |
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| Golden Oldie |
Well said Ted. Have often wondered why folk blame Gordon Brown for every darned thing that goes wrong. I'm sure the world wide recession isn't his fault. I know nothing about politics, nor do I want to know. I just get the impression that they are in it for self gratification, sod the little man that works hard. All the sleaze, I guess it's a case pick the one that steals the least!!!! |
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| localman |
time to vote soon and brown will not get my vote this country is on its knees and worse is to come from labour and its backers the unions time to get rid of both once and for all. |
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| gazzer |
Who said these comments; "No more boom and bust" and "British jobs for British workers" |
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| ted |
www.mydavidcameron.com/posters/rich1 |
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| jonno |
Certainly very difficult to decide who to vote for. I'm not enamored with Labour or Tory at the moment. I believe Torys have given a commitment to scrap the national id card which will save a boatload of money on a scheme that will probably not deliver on time and is wide open to abuse. But that's a single issue and not enough on it's own. Also I'm not happy with all the cuts proposed by the Torys, but we do need to reign in spending somehow, maybe get rid of a bunch of quangos. As for defending Gordon, well, his government presided over the toothless and ineffective FSA that failed to properly regulate our banks, so I don't believe he's such a wizard as all that. Maybe the Torys with their plan to scrap the FSA have got the right idea, a new banking regulator reporting to the BofE could be a good thing. The EU though is something that's enough to split both parties in half. I support a trade agreement and a common market but beyond that I think we should get out and stay out of the EU. Being in the Eurozone hasn't helped Greece much has it? I think if we'd been using the Euro we'd be a lot worse off that we are as well, being able to devalue our currency slightly has helped exports a lot. I think more independents are standing this time than ever before and I say hurray for that, if I had the time, gumption and financial security I would stand myself. (then you could all throw rotten eggs at me.) |
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| jacktlad |
Could we not throw rotten eggs at you anyway?  |
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| jonno |
Only if you shout something random at me first as a warning, like, "Cheese & Onion" or "Argentina". /ducks |
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| tolpuddle |
It is a tricky one. Cannot say I think much of the Tory Hooray Henrys. Torys support 'big business' and it is 'big business' ie the banks, that got us into the present mess. Unfortunately Labour still seem to be toadying up to 'big business', but I think the glamour is wearing off. If Gordon Brown came on TV as said what a load of rubbish is spouted by some papers, told those who reckon they would go abroad to go (who will want the 'failiures' anyhow) he would be back in with a big majority. For anyone over 60 Labour have been OK. Heating allowance, bus pass and some betterment of the pension. As for Europe. Well they actually do a lot of things better than us. Give it a 100 years and the de-facto European language will be English, so long as we stick in. Otherwise it might be Chinese!! |
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| Fred |
Hey tolpuddle I couldn't find any of that in wikipedia, is this your own opinion for a change?  |
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| localman |
If you work for British Airways and have been on strike this week, next time you see a soldier who's returned from Afghanistan make sure you tell him/her about your awful working conditions, poor uniform and low pay!! this is why I will never ever vote labour again  |
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| ted |
you wont vote labour because BA staff went on strike? odd |
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| localman |
unite the union back the labour party (no one told you yet Ted)they are the ones causing the the strikes get maggie back she would have smashed them  |
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| carliol |
The Unite union have a huge hold on Labour, their contributions to Labour far exceed anything Ashcroft has done for the Tories. They have nearly 70 candidates standing at the election who are left wing Unite members, and they sponsor 130 Labour MP's in total.Most Unite members do not support the Labour political contributions, but they find it difficult to opt out. So the choice is simple....do we want a Gordon Brown/union dominated future, with anarchy and strikes? Or is it time to sort out Gordon Brown's mess and debts, and give some other party a go? Be afraid....tough times lie ahead, make the right choice! |
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| jonno |
Because smashing the miners unions was such a good idea wasn't it. We don't need the coal the mines would've produced do we? That's why we import more and more coal year on year and why about a third of our electricity comes from coal. So when you moan about the cost of electric going up remember one of the reasons is dependence on expensive coal imports courtesy of Mrs Thatcher. Unions are a necessity when employers treat employees unfairly and unreasonably. Blaming the Labor party for people taking industrial action is nonsense, it's a dispute between employees and employers. If BA staff hadn't voted for it the union wouldn't have been able to call a strike. |
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| carliol |
jonno...I know what unions are for, and as a Labour supporter for 40+ years I do understand. What I object to is that a huge Union can have such a hold over a government, and dictate policy which may not be in the interests of the country as a whole.That's where we are heading now, and it could be a disaster. |
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| jacktlad |
Jonno it would'nt have made any difference if the miners had still been producing coal. Labour would'nt let us use it as it might have had a bad effect on climate change. |
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| victor |
I think you have to make your own mind up who is best for you.If your coming up to 60 or older then you can look foward to FREE bus passes, prescriptions,eye tests,£250 winter fuel allowence, swimming, house insulation etc. Lest we forget last time the torys were in power Prescription charges Eye test charges millions unemployed while the tory yuppis in london making millions off our backs. |
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| localman |
unions well unite are going to levy (tax)other union members to back the BA strike looks like they are starting to panic if they did a ballot now they would lose |
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| jonno |
I see your point Carliol and understand your concerns. I think it will always be the case that people will exert influence over policy for their own benefit, whether it is unions or other lobbyists. I think the only way to combat this is thru complete transparency and making the funding of political parties done thru public funds and make it illegal for parties to accept donations of more than £1000 per person per year. That way the unions and others wouldn't have as much influence as they do now. |
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| ted |
the unions represent the workers fighting back against the fat cats of business who exploit ordinary people like us in order to make ridiculous profits. if the unions back labour then surely that underlines the point that labour are representative of the ordinary worker? and the tories smooch up to the profit making fat cats who have no interest in the lives of the workers. tories: government of the rich, by the rich, for the rich. true silsdeners would know their roots and keep them out. |
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| carliol |
jonno...you are right, it would level things out if we could have public funded parties..bring it on. ted...your comments suggest we are living in the 19th century, not the 21st.Young boys don't go up chimneys any more, and workers are not oppressed, they have lots of protection now, conditions are vastly improved, and most employers are more enlightened in dealing with their workforces. |
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| ginjo |
"true silsdeners would keep them out" how come tories always get in then in the local elections? (I am not a tory by the way) |
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| ted |
ginjo....no one seems to bother voting in local elections. labour have dominated general elections for past 13 years. i suspect it will change this year as ilkley votes are included and the toffs will always vote tory. carliol....the strike was due to BA workers being offered ridiculous contracts because the fat cats of BA want to make £££££££££ of profit. whats wrong with staff wanting a fairer deal and using a union to achieve it? clearly most people in here are influenced by ruper murdoch and is news outlets that are jumping on the tory 'cuts for all services' bandwagon. |
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| jacktlad |
Ted The unions represent the workers who are fighting the fat cats? What do you call the Labour MPs who have just been shown on TV porning contacts for a mere £3-5000 per day.Yet your saying it's the tories that are fat cats. They are all as bad as each other. The most important thing to them is themselves and they all waste billions of pounds for little reason other than posturing. They still don't get that they're working for us not the other way around. |
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| victor |
Does anyone know how much little William H from the Ripon constituancy charges ? some say £25000 others £50000. |
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| carliol |
ted... not sure where you get your info from, but BA is losing hundreds of millions of pounds a year! The management are trying to save the company, and the unions cannot see it. No fat cats in BA, ted, and there won't be many jobs left either. Sorry, there are some fat cats in BA....the cabin crew who all have Audi TT's to run around in....tough life. |
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| localman |
good old Ted Silsden workers unite can some one tell him all the mills shut down years ago as for the Labour part representing the WORKERS who Brown, Mandelson, Hoon, Prescott remember him playing polo on his lawn give up Ted start living in the real world its all spin and you know it just look at Kinnock and his welsh windbag family not in it for the money dont make me laugh they do not give two hoots for the workers and you know it |
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| ted |
Carliol - hope this helps www.centreforaviation.com/news/2010/02/08/british-airways-surprise-profit-finnairs-unsurprising-loss-a-contrast-in-styles/page1 Localman - you're right, the term 'worker' only refers to people in mills... |
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| carliol |
ted...thanks for the article, but 1 quarter profit does not tell the full story. If you read the article carefully, it still says that BA will make record losses this year! anyway, to keep to the subject...don't vote Labour again...fresh start needed. |
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| ted |
mydavidcameron.com/posters/nix1 |
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| Fred |
Yes ted I have noticed all the slurs and dirty tricks seem to be coming from Labour supporters. Is this the only policy they have? |
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| jacktlad |
So we're out with the smear again. Brown has called Blair to back him in the election. Two men who have always hated each other. Brown has called one of the most corrupt Prime Ministers we've ever had for support. This man lied throughout his term and took us illegaly into war. The death of our soldiers provided him with contacts in the oil industry to help supply the £20 million he's made since resigning. Labour isn't about the working man it's about how much money they can make for themselves. |
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