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Topic : PLANNING APPLICATION TO BUILD 26 HOUSES |
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| Peter |
A planning application has been put in to build 26 dwellings on the Bradford Council owned land at the top of Daisy Hill. You may say this is 26 much needed houses for Silsden but as the TRANSPORT STATEMENT points out this is the first phase. The second phase of this development will bring the total to 41 residential properties. The TRANSPORT STATEMENT for the number of vehicles entering and leaving this development seems to be a work of fiction and as the main access will be via Daisy Hill and Howden Road then perhaps all residents that have to use the Howden Road/Kirkgate junction should be concerned. This development and others likely in this area will have an impact on education requiments. If you wish to make your views known on this subject you should make them on the Bradford planning portal using the following link: 13/02487/MAF | Residential development of 26 dwellings | Land At Daisy Hill Silsden West Yorkshire www.planning4bradford.com/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=MOWI2VDH0B300 For background reading a good place to start is - STATEMENT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT Please read the TRANSPORT STATEMENT (this is a large document and will take a while to load) |
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| Picnic Percy |
Hey, I just heard a vicious rumour that plans are indeed afoot to develop this plot a lot further and extend it as far as the land which joins up the cream, thereby effectively joining Silsden with Swartha..... 180 houses I believe over a fairly short timescale. Anyone shed any light on this please? or alternatively point me int he direction of the relevant policies? Any help and advice gratefully received .. |
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| Picnic Percy |
When I say cream I actually mean crem as in crematorium, spell checker does have its moments!!! |
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| hat |
one of the documents in this planning states that the whole plot has the potential for 181 houses. Snell's original plan which was shown at the consultation a few weeks ago was for 41 houses going as far as the boundary with the 'school field' but no further,& this was going to take them up for 5 years to complete, building as plots are sold. There's no way it could be extended all the way up to the graveyard without a significant new road access. In the last UDP this land was marked for development only after a bypass had been built the site at Sykes lane has the potential for at least as many houses as this but the planning has almost lapsed as there's no demand for the houses it would create. I think we'll see more of these small scale developments as that's all the market is demanding right now & its all builders can afford to build |
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| Peter |
The following is the summary of the UDP Inspectors Report for Silsden and there is a reference link to the actual report on the page. silsden.net/udp/silsdenUDP_RDDP_Inspectors_Report.htm The UDP has become the Local Development Framework (LDF) which will be published at the end of the year - the next battle to come with Bradford trying to make Silsden into a cash cow and making this into more of a commuter town than it already is. I'm not against new houses but they must be sustainable and new local jobs should come before the houses. |
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| hat |
that's encouraging reading, & seems even more definitive in terms of removing these allocations than the previous report |
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| Picnic Percy |
Thanks for posting this link Peter. It makes useful reading but I'm struggling to fine the transport policy and the statement of community involvement, please could you provide direct links to those too. Thanks. A number of residents are concerned about the step by step development which you accurately describe in your post Hat, it is indeed good for business but allows the Council to provide housing without facilities. Reading the inspectors report for the first time it is clear how few services we have in place to support continual growth and grow by stealth A residents meeting has been arranged for Monday 8 June in the Pavillion in Silsden park at 7.00pm, please join us if you share our concerns. There were over 50 of us a fortnight ago |
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| hat |
quoteThanks for posting this link Peter. It makes useful reading but I'm struggling to fine the transport policy and the statement of community involvement, please could you provide direct links to those too. Thanks. A number of residents are concerned about the step by step development which you accurately describe in your post Hat, it is indeed good for business but allows the Council to provide housing without facilities. Reading the inspectors report for the first time it is clear how few services we have in place to support continual growth and grow by stealth A residents meeting has been arranged for Monday 8 June in the Pavillion in Silsden park at 7.00pm, please join us if you share our concerns. There were over 50 of us a fortnight ago i will cheers |
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| Picnic Percy |
This invitation stretches to anyone who is interested |
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| original |
Presume you mean Monday 8th July. I am away until late so cannot attend but you have my support and thanks for all you are doing. |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
I might well get my head bitten off here, but the date on the report is 2004. Silsden has both expanded and changed in character since 2004. Looking at it from an environmental point of view, baselines of knowledge covering speciation and habitat change extremely quickly. Green belt land, once built on can NEVER be replaced. As such, I agree that there is some need for affordable housing, but not luxury 4 and 5 bedroom houses. The SAC designation, in my vIew, does not go far enough to control new developments. Since 2004, Silsden has grown quite drastically. There has been no new schools built, front line police officers are diminishing in number, fire services are constantly at threat of closure/reduction in equipment, council services are practically none existent. There isn't a lot anyone can do to influence government budget cuts or QE, but front line services should be in place and sufficient before any developments are considered. |
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| Peter |
quote If you wish to make your views known on this subject you should make them on the Bradford planning portal using the following link: 13/02487/MAF | Residential development of 26 dwellings | Land At Daisy Hill Silsden West Yorkshire www.planning4bradford.com/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=MOWI2VDH0B300 For background reading a good place to start is - STATEMENT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT Please read the TRANSPORT STATEMENT (this is a large document and will take a while to load) If you follow the planning link and and click through to documents you will find there are 28 documents associated with this application (at this time there is only one objection). Direct links to documents on the planning portal do not always work so it is better to go to the portal, you should read all the documents anyway, but the following are a good place to start For background reading a good place to start is - STATEMENT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT Please read the TRANSPORT STATEMENT(this is a large document and will take a while to load) Another one which is interesting is EDCUATION (CLIENT TEAM) COMMENT - it seems there are not enough local Primary School places but the developers can buy their way out of that problem and the forumla suggests the cost will be £45K ..... but what happens when phase 2 comes along? Will they be putting potacabins in the playground, perhaps a new primary school should be built. |
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| Picnic Percy |
Yes the education statement is worrying but concentrates only on primary provision. What about secondary education? The inspectors report says that there are no plans to build a secondary school in Silsden and there is insufficient space for expansion at South Craven. Will children of secondary school age then have to travel to Keighley for their education? |
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| kvs |
I know that Aireview infant school are increasing their numbers by 15 pupils per year. This is to meet demands now! Imagine in the not too distant future with extra houses, extra children, etc that you are all fighting for the same school place? 41 houses could easily bring another 50 children into silsden. The knock on effects as you say picnic percy filter all the way through to fighting for places at South Craven. |
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| dogcatcher |
what about the children that r already in silsden these houses are needed for them one day,if people have children the population goes up where are they supposed to go or live?????????? |
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| gazzer |
quotewhat about the children that r already in silsden these houses are needed for them one day,if people have children the population goes up where are they supposed to go or live?????????? Good point. However most of my school year have moved away, not because of housing but to where the jobs and infrastructure is. How many of the proposed 2,500 new houses do YOU think wemight need? |
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| kvs |
They could buy some of the many houses that are up for sale in Silsden and have been for months and months? |
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| hat |
missed tonight's meeting due to an over-running kitchen fitter who wouldn't leave  I'm interested to hear how it went |
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| dexter |
If all the housing over the years in Silsden had been objected to, most of us would not be living here! The country needs new houses, but some local people want them to be built somewhere else, not here. Time to accept the real world is here to stay, let some local development proceed, as it has done over the last 20 years, just monitor it carefully so that the right kind of houses are built. And if you are worried about school numbers, keep an eye on the increasing number of children from Keighley area who are being shipped in every day to Silsden schools. Many of the parents who bring them don't live in Silsden I'm sure. |
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| kvs |
New houses need infrastructure. Silsden is limited now with schools, doctors, police, employment, traffic and the rest. Infrastructure should come before additional housing. |
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| dogcatcher |
well said dexter my thoughts as well!!!  |
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| kvs |
Not many people will be wanting to buy houses in silsden if the secondary school options are Oakbank and Keighley University Academy ( Greenhead)!!! The education statement said they would be options for secondary education. Please see statement below "Current projections show there is a shortfall in places in the secondary phase in most parts of the District, and many primary planning areas are already, or are anticipated, to have a deficit in capacity in the next five years despite a significant programme of school expansion currently underway." "The secondary schools which are reasonably accessible from the development are all 11-18 schools and include Oakbank, The Holy Family Catholic and the University Academy Keighley" Hope my kids get a place at south craven!! |
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| skippy |
I think now is the time to calm down, too hot to argue  aire view is going to be extended as reported on .net a few months ago,south craven school will always want silsden kids, bfd don't want them to go there but are tied in to an agreement going back decades. infrastructure is a definite ,we have a local employer who is actively trying to bring a smallish supermarket which will not only bring jobs but give the local coop some much needed competition, the doctors surgery is being massively extended so come on and all work together for what is best for silsden,not just moan because of 20odd houses, nimbies we can do without, look forwards, we can not afford to stay still.before you bite my head off make sure you know what your talking about |
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| ginjo |
which local employer is trying to bring a small supermarket to silsden skippy, do you mean Habistat? |
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| dexter |
Well said skippy, voice of calm and reason.....plenty going right for Silsden, time for looking forwards, not back to the 1800's. |
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| hat |
i'm all for the ongoing development of the town, what i'd like to see is justification of need before developing green fields. sykes lane passed planning a couple of years ago but no development has taken place as there is no money in the economy. what would be criminal is ripping up green spaces for speculative development |
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| mayflower |
Well said Hat!! It seems Skippy has already made his mind up regarding plans being passed, hopefully the rest of the council members will be a little more thoughtful in their deliberations!! |
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| skippy |
ginjo yep it is habasit we need to support things that benefit the majority, thank you dexter common sense is all that's needed. mayflower where do you live? also how long have you lived here? please don't assume anything where I am concerned as I only have the interest of silsden not my own interests. 20 years on the council show where my support goes, if you can do better or anybody else out there who thinks they can please contact the town clerk as there is a seat up for grabsso lets see how many want to put the unpaid hours in to get whats the best for the town not just where we live. |
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| mayflower |
FYO Skippy I have lived in silsden for almost 38yrs, worked here for 20yrs and done my fair share of voluntary work. I am not against progress and agree we need the housing in Silsden, but there are other options not least as KVS pointed out lots for sale. Also 20 odd houses as we all know will not stop there. I support local builders, and yes I do live on Middleway so understand the traffic concerns etc too. |
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| Picnic Percy |
Hmmm, just been looking at the planning dox and in psrticular the planning case report....Paints the local amenities and services in a glowing light and describes what we have very nicely. But does not say what is missing and what we are losing. Barclays bank shut last year and Nat West have announced the branch in Silsden is to close. The library which is mentioned in the report is due to close as well and the property is being sold off by the Council. There is only one store in town for shopping purposes and 2 pubs have closed in the past year. The town has no railway station and 74 % of workers need to travel out of the area to work. The route to the station at Steeton is 1.5 km away and is dangerous according to inspector’s report of 2004 and there have been no improvements and are indeed no short term plans to improve. |
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| Picnic Percy |
The transport report is unavailable. It must make for some pretty hot reading....cant wait. please close it down folks I'm all agog |
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| Picnic Percy |
Thanks got it open. First point. The national planning policy framework is referred to at 2.3.1 but the developer prefer the PPG 13 "Transport" (even though its been superceded!!!) I'm not surprised, as a regular commuter would you really relish a walk to Steeton Station from the top of Silsden? because that is what this policy regards as reasonable However looking to the more current NPPF, it states There are three dimensions to sustainable development: economic, social and environmental. These dimensions give rise to the need for the planning system to perform a number of roles: 1. an economic role – contributing to building a strong, responsive and competitive economy, by ensuring that sufficient land of the right type is available in the right places and at the right time to support growth and innovation; and by identifying and coordinating development requirements, including the provision of infrastructure; 2. a social role – supporting strong, vibrant and healthy communities, by providing the supply of housing required to meet the needs of present and future generations; and by creating a high quality built environment, with accessible local services that reflect the community’s needs and support its health, social and cultural well-being; and 3. an environmental role – contributing to protecting and enhancing our natural, built and historic environment; and, as part of this, helping to improve biodiversity, use natural resources prudently, minimise waste and pollution, and mitigate and adapt to climate change including moving to a low carbon economy. Ok great, I get all that stuff, but again something is missing. Where is the economic development which will support the additional population? The policy says it should be there.... where are the additional jobs for Silsden which will support economic growth and thus justify an increase in population? What about the soclial role when local services are diminishing and decreasing? What about the environmental role when policy dictates that brownfield sites take precedence over greenfield ones? Anyway I'm off the apprentice is on...... |
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| Picnic Percy |
Dam, the apprentice is on tomorrow!!!!! ah well I'm off to bed |
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| ginjo |
picnic percy, which two pubs have closed in the last year? I thought they were all open now. I have tried walking to the station from waterside area and at a brisk pace it takes me 40 minutes then there is the issue of getting over the bypass, it is not realistic to expect people to walk that far twice a day in all weathers and the buses are not frequent enough or don't fit in with the trains.I recently found out that there is an underpass at Kildwick, why? I cannot imagine many people need to cross the road from there compared to people from silsden needing to cross the bypass.It is about time we got a crossing, maybe it could be funded partly with the money bradford are getting from selling silsdens assets! I thought the apprentice was on tonight as well last nights was delayed till 10-35, past my bedtime!!oh well I will enjoy watching it tomorrow. |
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| Peter |
You are going off topic. I hope you are all as enthusiastic about Silsden and the environment - sustainability etc at the end of the year when the LDF is published and Bradford want to build 2000 houses here.  This topic is about 26 houses to be built at the top of Daisy Hill. This is infill whether you like it or not. The houses will be built by a reputable local company and the construction will employ local craftsmen. Looking at the plans it looks like they will fit into the environment and in 20 years time look a lot better than some of the nearby housing. You MUST look at all the documents associated with application if you want to make a comment for or against the application, you cannot object if you just don't like it and it spoils your view. Find some valid reasons to object - traffic - schools - access - services - infrastructure etc BUT READ THE DOCUMENTS FIRST. You cannot object to something which might happen in the future (say...perhaps more houses). |
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| gazzer |
quotesouth craven school will always want silsden kids, bfd don't want them to go there but are tied in to an agreement going back decades. The same agreement that promised free bus travel that Bradford took away. Strange, the minutes from the meeting when the agreement was made were missing when the took away free travel. NEVER EVER TRUST BRADFORD COUNCIL OR WHATEVER THIS NEW COUNCIL THAT WILL BE IN CHARGE NEXT YEAR WILL BE CALLED |
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