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Topic : Keighley Road obstruction |
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| Grianan |
I'm talking about the traffic Island they've put in near Belton Road, it really does take up a lot of space and narrows the road down abruptly. There are no warning signs and there are no white lines/hatchings to indicate that it sticks out a lot more than you would expect! It's good that the bollards are lit up but I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone drives into the 'kerb' surround of this traffic island. Will the driver be able to sue Bradford Council for putting a dangerous obstruction in the road and not giving adequate warning to drivers? I'd be interested to hear bus drivers and lorry drivers views on it - they can't have a lot of clearance as they negotiate the constriction! |
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| alan |
Judging by the amount of rubber already on the kerbs I would suspect that plenty have already at least nudged them! |
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| Fred |
From a previous post but worth repeating... [Wouldn't it be a good idea if a large keep left sign was on the outgoing carrageway of the new island on Keighley Road (as well as the incoming carrageway)? Someone will be crossing the road and get wiped out where a car mounts the new curb. The crossing is just after a bend and there is the distraction of a junction just before it. Pedestrians BEWARE!] The bollards were NOT LIT on Saturday morning, it was dark and wet and it was very difficult to see the kerb of the island. |
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| ange1495 |
I usually come into Silsden over the tops so I didn't know the island was there until I nearly crashed into it one night when I came in off the bypass. |
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| Fred |
So it is dangerous from both directions! Usually these islands have V-shape paint islands leading up to the actual island itself. Did BradMet run out of paint AGAIN? This island is dangerous, do we have to wait for someone to be injured or killed before something is done about this man made hazard? |
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| ginjo |
I presume our local councillors are doing something about it?? |
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| alan |
"ginjo" - ask the District Councillors, their e-mail addresses are on this website - Messers Mallinson, Kelly, and Naylor. |
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| Peter |
Alan, I have sent an email to the above councillors requesting they look at this page. |
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| alan |
We'll look forward to their response  But, I would guess looking at other islands on my travels and the bare poles that are still left that there is still work to be done on this one. Personally I think it is a good idea, but it needs to be better lit and signed. I suspect when it is finished, or rather hope, that it will be! |
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| Fred |
Are any of these "good ideas" put though our Silsden Council before they are implemented? There seems to rather a lot of imposed good ideas which the people of Silsden only find out when BradMet start digging the road up. |
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| wahiba |
Did anyone actually notice that the wagon putting the island in was marked 'North Yorkshire County Council'. I think the problem the other night was the lights being out. All we need now are some double yellow lines and a big sign showing the footballers on a Sunday where to park. Bit tough on those 'fit' players though. They will have to walk further from their cars. |
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| grandad |
I don't see a problem with this new; or any other island, but then I always follow rules 103 & 105 of the highway code. For those drivers who haven't bothered to look at a highway code since they past their tests I will repeat them.103, you must not exceed the maximum speed limits for the road and for your vehicle. 105,Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance you can see to be clear. |
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| Fred |
grandad, you have obviously never driven through the gauntlet, in or out of Silsden, when it has been dark and raining. This island is dangerous for both pedestrian and motorist alike. I would suggest you stand on the island for 5 minutes when it is dark and raining and see how vunerable you feel. |
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| alan |
"Fred" perhaps the reason it is dangerous or appears so is the reason it's there - to calm drivers down! I drive in every night and have no trouble with it, not managed to hit or nudge it either by car or motorbike!I would suggest when the get round to completing it that it will be much better lit. |
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| wahiba |
Not sure which code number, but I am sure there is something about taking note of the conditions when driving. If that island is a danger to anyone then they are either driving too fast, or are medically unfit to drive i.e. vision impaired!  Just to put this in context. SWMBO drives to Harrogate everyday, takes it easy and is naturally passed by a few of the death and glory brigade. The other day she took it easier in the rain. Obviously somebody else did not, so a detour around the back roads was required because there was a crash. PS taking it easy means 50/55 on a busy single lane highway. Lorries and the like mean that it is easier to cruise and keep ones distance. The D & G brigade might, if they are lucky, be one or two vehicles in front by the time Harrogate is reached. |
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| gazzer |
Have you seen how the curb sticks out on Elliott St outside Staincliffe Court. Now its snowing its only a matter of time before a car hits it. |
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| grandad |
Fred, you are Wrong I do drive though there most days, both in the daylight and late at night, in all weathers, and I don't find it a problem. Probably for the same reason; that I have been driving many types of vehicle for over forty years, and not been involved in any crashes, I have only ever been stopped twice by the Police, both times for a misunderstanding on their part, I have a totally clean licence. In all that time I have never stopped learning to drive, always checking and correcting any tendancy towards bad driving. If you find driving such a problem then I suggest you go along to the Institute of Advanced Motorists and ask them to teach you how to do it right. |
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| Fred |
Grandad, the curbs are much wider than the signage, wider than you would expect. For those motorist unfamiliar with the road and for locals in bad weather it is dangerous (in my opinion). I resent the implication I can't drive, this is a road safety issue which should be resolved asap before someone is injured. Perhaps it isn't finished, I just hope something is done to improve the visability of the hazard soon. |
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| alan |
Personally I do not see what the problem is. As I've suggested before it doesn't seem to have been completed and it doesn't help that a street lamp next to it doesn't work. But, in my humble opinion it's constructed no differently than others all over the country. The simple fact is that if you can't see to get through it you shouldn't be driving so fast! |
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| grandad |
Alan I agree, anyone who finds it a problem can't be following rule 105 above. Fred I didn't say you couldn't drive, you did when you said you found this bit of the road a problem. Think! if a tree falls across the road it doesn't suddenly sprout lights; or lands in such a way as to allow room to get through, thats why we all must drive so we can stop before we hit anything that's in the way. |
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| Fred |
If you drive a 4 x 4 and you are not a pedestrian using the island I guess it may not be a problem. Please read the comments made by me and others carefully before assuming we all drive too fast and dangerously. I really don't want to be the one to say I told you so when an accident occurs, I would rather point out the fact I think as it stands the island IS a hazard which should be made safer by signage and better lighting asap. |
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| alan |
Now I am puzzled, what has 4x4's got to do with this thread? Is it yet more 4x4 paranoia? |
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| Fred |
Perhaps the problem is not seen if you drive a vehicle with a higher sight line. I don't drive a 4x4 and I see the island as a hazard. |
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| alan |
"Fred" I find that statement amazing. I drive during the week in various parts of the country and the island is no different from thousands of others! For your information I drive a Peugeot 206, 4x4, and various motorbikes and have not managed to hit the island in any of them. I would suggest that if you do not consider it to be constructed with standard highway specifications you call Bradford Highways to complain. |
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| Fred |
I am not talking about any other traffic islands, only the hazard out of Silsden. It is does not have white lining directing traffic around the extended curbs and at night the lighting / signage is inadequate. All the other traffic islands I have come across have white lining around the curbs. All reasonable cost safety features for obstructions should be used but this island does not employ them If members of our council read this then perhaps it is their duty to take this matter up with BradMet. If the project is not finished then perhaps it could be speeded up. |
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| alan |
"Fred" it's everybodys duty to bring it up with Bradford Highways 'IF' they think it is a problem. |
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| alan |
"Fred" as everyone seems frightened to phone up highways I've done it as a humble Silsden resident! They were most helpful. As I've been saying all along it isn't finished! Just so all can sleep well in their beds now, the lining will be done next week, the signs are being manufactured, and the lighting will be finished shortly. Easy innit. On to the next worry now |
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| Fred |
Thank you Alan..... and the number and contact for future enquiries is? I think it would be better to co-ordinate such enquiries through our own Silsden council rather than going direct to Bradford as individuals, but if that is the only way to get anything done then that's the way it has to be... the same potholes and lighting problems reported numerous times! |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) "Fred" the number is Bradford Met general number and ask for Highways, took me five minutes to find it and make the call! They were very helpful and happy to answer me as a simple Silsden resident. If you ain't got a phone book try www.yell.com. The man to speak to is David Trick. I am puzzled why simple queries like this should be through the town council they haven't the resources, that's what Bradford Met does - answer queries, and they do it very well! Why duplicate work, when the various Bradford departments will help individuals. Believe it or not, Bradford Met employees don't bite! Try it you'll be surprised how helpful those ogres that work for Bradford can be! |
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| grandad |
Fred, the general number for Bradford council is, Bradford 43100, you get through to their general enquires office; they either take a message or pass you onto the required department. But no matter what they do to the new island it will still be there and none observant drivers will still find it a problem. Everything in and around the highway is a potential hazard, however it only becomes a hazard if the driver fails to take the appropriate action to avoid it. I firmly believe there is no such thing as a dangerous road, only roads that require a greater degree of care when using them. |
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| Grianan |
Thank you Alan for contacting the Highways Department. I'm glad to hear that they are going to finish the work on the "crossing" sometime... One would assume that the work that hasn't been done is white lines/hatching, further lighting, (warning signs on approach?) is necessary to make it safer... Thus in it's unfinished state it is an extra hazard and surely there should be warning signs ahead of it in both directions? Something like "Road Narrows" at least! |
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| Grianan |
The other night when it was raining I was following someone into Silsden who was driving steadily along at 40mph. She saw the bollards of the crossing and the 30mph signs, slowed down to 30mph and moved over but alas not quite far enough ... her offside wheel struck the kerb of the island quite hard. She stopped and was quite shaken by it, she hadn't realised that the island was quite so big. The kerb of the island just isn't visible enough at night, especially when it's raining. (The 30mph sign also draws your attention up and away from ground level). |
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| alan |
Well what can we say to that? Wonder how many times she'd driven past the island before that? Bet it wasn't the first time. Sounds like she a case of 'driving without due care and attention' to me, what you reckon "grandad"? Hope you got her number to pass on to Bradford so they can send the cost of repairs to her rather than out of mu council tax! |
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| Fred |
White lines at last! |
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| Fred |
The white lines make the obstruction much safer to negotiate. Now all we need is a safe area for traffic wanting to turn right into Belton Road. Of course it will never get done because the idea is too sensible and they would have to move those pretty blue cannonballs! |
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| Grianan |
I'm pleased to see the white lines have been done. Well done Alan - I reckon your enquiry served as a 'reminder' to them that they'd forgotten to do them. They've even put a blue 'information' sign up on the approach from the roundabout: "New Road Layout Ahead" - a pity it's so small and so high up on the lampost it's easily missable and a distraction if you do spot it out of the corner of your eye! |
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