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Topic : PLANNING: for DISABLED ACCESS to TOWN HALL - ROUND 2 |
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| Peter |
The planning application for Silsden Town Hall, i.e. the proposed disabled ramp and the new fire escape at the rear of the building, was discussed at the Keighly Area Planning Meeting on 15 May - the decision was defered because BMDC submitted plans AFTER the cutoff date which was a breach of planning regulations. The overwelming views of those that submitted their views through the planning portal was for the rejection of the proposals. However, because of the deferment YOU MUST RESUBMIT YOUR OBJECTIONS / support FOR THE PLANNING PROPOSAL PLEASE NOTE: The above planning application is for the ramp and the rear fire escape. It has NOTHING to do with Wesley Place and the Libray so don't put that in your objection because it will be ignored. You can object to the consequences the provision of ramp eg it will allow people into the hall but how safe will they be? but you need to justify your objections. YOU HAVE UNTIL 6 JUNE 2013 TO MAKE YOUR VIEWS KNOWN 13/00459/FUL | Alterations to front entrance and re-installation of escape stairs to rear | Town Hall Kirkgate Silsden West Yorkshire BD20 0PB www.planning4bradford.com/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=MHP8CXDHLT000 References: 1. The drawings put on the portal on 9 May but 'portal dated' to 3 may - the portal date has been changed to 9 May but the drawing are the same. 2. The Highways Statement which was withdrawn because it was an objection has been changed and resubmitted as a compromise solution. 3. Pay particular attention to the drawing of the ground floor and the location of the Zebra Crossing in relation to the proposed ramp (the crossing is marked up in the wrong place) silsden.net/forum/docs/13_00459_FUL-PROPOSED_GROUND___FIRST_FLOOR_PLANS-3731749.pdf This is where the crossing is actually:  4. Note this statement on the drawing:  Highway Dept are allowing the lifting of the full platform width of the Pedestrian (Zebra) Crossing in a way to maintain the same height for adjacent kerbs and footpaths and flush with newly raised carriageway (existing dropped kerb to be removed). If this happens I think we should start a lottery for postions on the ramp, to view the Tour de France riders flying off the ramp  - next time you go past the Town Hall note just how much incline there is on the road, and on the pavement towards the Zebra Crossing.5. Pictures of the outside of the TH see news.silsden.net/archives/60 |
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| Golden Oldie |
Has there been any thought on making a ramp in the existing door way? From the photo it would seem to be quite feasable to adapt the steps into a ramp. Or is that too simple a solution!!!! |
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| grandad |
Golden olde they can not alter the existing steps they are part of the conservation area. Peter I have put my objection in again! do you think this is part of their dirty tricks, hoping people wont bother repeating themselves? |
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| Golden Oldie |
Think I am loosing the plot here. If it is a conservation area, why put a monstrosity of a ramp on the public footpath? Beggars belief. What a waste of money. |
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| Peter |
The ramp is just the excuse to spend our money - this is what it's all about news.silsden.net/archives/46 £400k and counting......  |
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| ginjo |
peter, who has said it is neccessary to resubmit comments? I would have thought that original comments would still be valid and also how is anyone supposed to know, not everyone looks at silsden net, surely the planning department have a duty to inform everybody and also to write or e-mail everyone who put a comment in otherwise won't they be in breach of some rule or another? |
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| spud |
why not put a door what will be used once in a while at the far right window at the town hall |
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| Peter |
quotepeter, who has said it is neccessary to resubmit comments? I would have thought that original comments would still be valid and also how is anyone supposed to know, not everyone looks at silsden net, surely the planning department have a duty to inform everybody and also to write or e-mail everyone who put a comment in otherwise won't they be in breach of some rule or another? The drawings, the statement from Highways, and there has been a corection on the Heritage statement, all have been put on the planning portal AFTER the cutoff date so they have not been available for the public to comment on. Therefore previous objections will not be valid and you MUST comment on the current planning documents on the planning portal. |
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| gazzer |
I assume a new site notice is required and all objectors will receive letters explaining their existing objections will not be included in the decision making progress. |
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| localman |
again without trying to cause offence how many people who are in a wheelchair are going to use this ramp because the money being quoted is a joke this whole thing and the cost of it all needs stopping its just a waste of money. |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Regarding comments. The council have to allow 21 days for comments to planning applications following the issue of a site notice AND an advert in a local newspaper. The council can only hear objections recieved before the 21 days have elapsed so without the re-issue of a notice it can not take account of any comments after 2nd May. So they can not listen to even Silsden Town Councils views without a new notice!!! Section 73 73 Publicity for applications affecting conservation areas.(1)Where an application for planning permission for any development of land is made to a local planning authority and the development would, in the opinion of the authority, affect the character or appearance of a conservation area, subsections (2) to (7) of section 67 shall apply as they apply in the circumstances mentioned in subsection (1) of that section. Section 67 refered to above. 67 Publicity for applications affecting setting of listed buildings.(1)This section applies where an application for planning permission for any development of land is made to a local planning authority and the development would, in the opinion of the authority, affect the setting of a listed building. (2)The local planning authority shall— (a)publish in a local newspaper circulating in the locality in which the land is situated; and (b)for not less than seven days display on or near the land, a notice indicating the nature of the development in question and naming a place within the locality where a copy of the application, and of all plans and other documents submitted with it, will be open to inspection by the public at all reasonable hours during the period of 21 days beginning with the date of publication of the notice under paragraph (a). (3)In a case where the land is situated in England, the local planning authority shall send a copy of the notice to the Commission. (4)Where the Secretary of State, after consulting with the Commission, notifies a local planning authority in writing that subsection (3) shall not affect the authority as regards any notice relating to any kind of application specified in the notification, then that subsection shall not affect the authority as regards any such notice. (5)The Secretary of State shall send the Commission a copy of any notification made under subsection (4). (6)The application shall not be determined by the local planning authority before— (a)the expiry of the period of 21 days referred to in subsection (2); or (b)if later, the expiry of the period of 21 days beginning with the date on which the notice required by that subsection to be displayed was first displayed. (7)In determining any application for planning permission to which this section applies, the local planning authority shall take into account any representations relating to the application which are received by them before the periods mentioned in subsection (6) have elapsed. www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1990/9/contents |
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| gazzer |
Could have applied for a grant; 77 Grants and loans for preservation or enhancement of conservation areas.(1)If in the opinion of the Commission any relevant expenditure has made or will make a significant contribution towards the preservation or enhancement of the character or appearance of any conservation area situated in England or any part of such an area, they may make grants or loans for the purposes of defraying the whole or part of that expenditure. (2)If in the opinion of the Secretary of State any relevant expenditure has made or will make a significant contribution towards the preservation or enhancement of the character or appearance of any conservation area situated in Wales or any part of such an area, he may make grants or loans for the purposes of defraying the whole or part of that expenditure. (3)Expenditure is relevant for the purposes of subsection (1) or (2) if it has been or is to be incurred in or in connection with, or with a view to the promotion of, such preservation or enhancement as is mentioned in that subsection. (4)A grant or loan under this section may be made subject to such conditions as the Commission or, as the case may be, the Secretary of State may think fit to impose. |
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| original |
Why not demoliosh the Town Hall sell all posible materials, develop the area into a surfaced, marked out Carpark entrance/ exit from one side of road only AND devlop the recycling area, patch building and comp. purchase the former police statio to make a library/ ComuniutyCentre venue. |
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| bandnwire |
I am getting so mixed up now what with trying to understand the different plans, reading what Highways have now said etc. With the lifting up of the road does this now mean that there will not be a safety rail. I have seen wagons run up the kerb in order to get through already. With lifting the road up to the height of the pavement i.e no kerb edge there is nothing to stop cars or wagons running up onto the pavement especially when the safety barrier has been removed. |
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| bandnwire |
Just had a letter pushed through about the new plans and stating we can go to see them at Bradford, Shipley or Ilkley Town Hall (was in there Tuesday and there were't any plans there then). OR we can object online before June 7th. |
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| ginjo |
I have not had anything yet, was it hand delivered or in the post? |
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| bandnwire |
It was hand delivered about 4pm. My friend who lives at the other end of Silsden got hers about 3.30pm. The letter is dated 24th May. |
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| hermione fraggle |
We had one put through our door yesterday too. Not sure what time I was out. Once again the letter was dated 24th May. So it has taken them alomost a week betwen printing them and getting them to us and then just a few days to find the time to go through all the documents and formulate a fresh a response. |
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| ginjo |
I wonder whether cllr mallinson was delivering them to save postage! I will ring planning on monday if I don't get anything today. |
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| gazzer |
Was it addressed to you personally or just a general letter? |
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| bandnwire |
Mine said The Owner/occupier, and then our address, with it being a cheap brown envelope I thought it was usual junk stuff we get, so nearly binned it.! |
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| Peter |
Still waiting for my letter, posted with a 2nd class stamp would have been quicker and cheaper if the letter is dated 24 May. |
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| ginjo |
it seems a poor do that planning have not contacted all the people who objected either by e-mail or letter, I wonder if that means they have broken some more rules!! |
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| canread |
When asked about non notification of re consultation BMDC agreed to inform all objectors, when chased and notfied nothing on protal not even panel decision to reconsult - following reply received."I understand that letters have been sent to previous objectors as requested. They may not have actually got the letters immediately and I have no control over how fast things are put on the portal". Previous comments will be taken into consideration however as all measurements have changed you'll need to ensure they are still valid. |
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| Marrywell |
I have been trying to view the details of the new railing so far to no avail. The site says it is unavailable. Is this because it is being altered yet again or to leave it too late for many objections? Also the updated Highways comment is no longer available. I was going to question it as, to me, it didn't make sense, particularly the part relating to the railings. |
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| bandnwire |
I have read the last comment from Highways, and it definitely says that there will be no pedestrian guardrail after the road is lifted. I just follow Peter's link for things like that as I am not too good with computers. |
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| Peter |
quoteI have read the last comment from Highways, and it definitely says that there will be no pedestrian guardrail after the road is lifted. I just follow Peter's link for things like that as I am not too good with computers. Some time ago a young lad was knocked down after running across the crossing straight out of the Town Hall (BTW he bounced). As a result the railing you see at the moment was put up. The disabled ramp will have a railing, so the current railing will not be required - the fact they will make the pavement narrow and you will probably get pushed off the pavement if you meet a parent and child on this section of the pavement has got nothing to do with it. The real reason is if the railing was still there they would not be able to make the pavement even 1.5m wide. |
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| Peter |
quoteI have been trying to view the details of the new railing so far to no avail. The site says it is unavailable. Is this because it is being altered yet again or to leave it too late for many objections? Also the updated Highways comment is no longer available. I was going to question it as, to me, it didn't make sense, particularly the part relating to the railings. You have to use this link to access the drawing (you cannot view it directly) 13/00459/FUL | Alterations to front entrance and re-installation of escape stairs to rear | Town Hall Kirkgate Silsden West Yorkshire BD20 0PB www.planning4bradford.com/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=MHP8CXDHLT000 |
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| Marrywell |
Thank you Peter. That is the link I am using. I can view the first 4 plans but not the one regarding the new railing. |
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| bandnwire |
Marrywell, it does take ages to load, the screen will have the word blank on but the drawing does eventually come on. Good luck this time. |
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| Marrywell |
It has loaded now. It wasn't that it was slow loading but that it was actually saying document unavailable on the Bradford website. The Highway's document is now showing too. Must have been a blib with the website whenever I tried to access. |
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| Peter |
YOU HAVE UNTIL FRIDAY 7 JUNE 2013 TO MAKE YOUR VIEWS KNOWN 13/00459/FUL | Alterations to front entrance and re-installation of escape stairs to rear | Town Hall Kirkgate Silsden West Yorkshire BD20 0PB www.planning4bradford.com/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=MHP8CXDHLT000 FOR PICTURES OF THE CROSSING AND THE PROBLEMS THIS PROPOSAL WILL CAUSE SEE The following pictures should be viewed against the proposal to provide a ramp to facilitate disabled access to the Town Hall. As you can see the crossing is very close to the end of the ramp area and the proposal to raise the level of the road to make the crossing level with the pavement curb will present its own problems. MORE PICTURES > news.silsden.net/archives/147  |
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| bandnwire |
Has anyone else had a problem putting an objection in, and then when you press submit it tells you it's timed out.? I was typing non stop so can't understand it. |
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| Peter |
Prepare your objection off-line, using a text editor, and then copy n paste your text into the form after logging in. That way you can sort out what you want to say without the pressure of doing it online. If it does goes wrong online you don't have to start again from scratch because you will have a copy. |
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| Peter |
If you haven't already done so the time has come to stick your head above the parapet and declare your views on the refurbishment of the Town Hall 13/00459/FUL | Alterations to front entrance and re-installation of escape stairs to rear | Town Hall Kirkgate Silsden West Yorkshire BD20 0PB www.planning4bradford.com/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=MHP8CXDHLT000 You comments must be made by Friday 7 June 2013 |
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| jonno |
head dutifully stuck above the parapet |
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