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Topic : lets back a drug dealer |
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| bogtoss |
well well well 3 keighley councillors and a magistrate back a low life drug dealer if he had got off they would all have been close family friends up celebrating this miscarriage of justice on there close friend? but no this dealer in death got 4 years should have been 10 years and deportation why do we put up with it? of course some idiot will say I should not point fingers in that direction I say why not? this is still a free country I think. Those four family friends have serious questions to answer the main one being why were they trying to get him off? were they on his payroll? how did he get school runs with his taxi firm which was a front front for drugs? |
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| spud |
when are we going to wake up to what is going on |
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| Peter |
Before anyone comments on this topic those interested SHOULD READ THIS www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/news_keighley/4518881.print/ This matter is now in the hands of the courts and will be dealt with by the law. While it may be a matter of concern but just remember bogtoss likes to throw in the odd comment to wind people up.  |
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| gazzer |
If I knew some who dealt in drugs I would act as a character witness without doubt. I would tell the court exactly what a low life person this was. Convicted drug dealers should be jailed until such time time give evidence to convict the person they got the drugs from and so on |
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| carliol |
as peter has suggested, I have read the article carefully, and there may be some reclaiming of assets etc by the legal system in due course, but the human damage to probably hundreds of people, many of them young people, will never be put right. The law is very lenient, and the so-called character references will have reduced the sentence, but he will be out again in less than 2 years....is this what we really expect from our justice system? Should our children/grandchildren not be better protected from criminals like this? |
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| wahiba |
Question Does the character witness make their statement before or after the trial? Remember one must presume innocence until evidence secures a conviction. also Did those giving the character references know of the double life the accused was leading? We have all been surprised by revealed activities of someone we thought was beyond reproach. |
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| bogtoss |
of course they knew about him? every drug user in keighley knew about him he was running a drug delivery service (you ringa we bringa)and 4 years is a joke what they said about him reduced his sentance fact, this whole issue stinks from top to bottom are these people saying now they did not know him but he comes from a good family  the Yorkshire ripper came from a good family but not many stood behind him and said what a fantastic man he was DO NOT LET THESE PEOPLE CON YOU DRUGS IN KEIGHLEY IS THERE TRADE SAD THING IS WE ALL KNOW IT |
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| jonno |
quoteshame the same can't be said about the Councilors and the Magistrate |
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| gazzer |
I see two of the councillors have letters published in todays Keighley News saying sorry for the references. Surely, if you give the court a reference and then retract it after the defendant is found guilty then its Contempt of Court. |
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| bogtoss |
Gazzer you are spot on but nothing will happen  |
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| Peter |
A bit more information www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/4542467.print/ |
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| alan |
Is Arrows and Galaxy the one that's started operating in Silsden as well? |
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| gazzer |
quoteIs Arrows and Galaxy the one that's started operating in Silsden as well? From where? |
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| alan |
The one in Peter's article above, had a flyer from them and seen cars about. |
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| alan |
I cannot understand how a councillor could be so naive as to give anybody who is appearing in court a character reference! They should seriously consider their future as a councillor. |
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| wahiba |
One would assume that the references were based on their personal knowledge, and they did not know the full facts. These would only come out in the trial, after the references were given. The two apologizing infer they were conned by not knowing all the facts, probably true. Apologizing is not contempt of court, asking for references knowing that they will be given on only part knowledge of the facts possibly is though. Four years in jail will at least ensure next time he will know the tricks of the trade and not get caught so easily. Four years community service on minimum pay would probably produce a better result. It would also have been a cheaper option. We have over flowing prisons which seem to have nil effect on criminality, in fact they enhance it. Other than the mad and bad the harmless majority should be put to work for the community. |
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| carliol |
It's interesting that the president of Pakistan wants to introduce the death penalty for drug dealers in his own country, but he feels that the West are too tolerant of such offences, and this undermines his approach. They get Life (real Life, not just 10 years as we know it) in Singapore, executed in Thailand, and we slap them on the wrist....the dealers kill some people, and ruin their lives if they do survive....I'm struggling with this one! |
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| wahiba |
Why is drug taking even a crime? All the problems seem to be with the illegality of the product rather than its effects on the sick people who feel they need to take drugs. There was a time when those who became addicted were able to get a regular, clean supply from theri doctor. The 'popular press' objected, politicians caved in and now we have real problems becasue of drugs. Drug addicts are ill and should be treated as such. We might as well criminalise getting acold. |
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| bogtoss |
drug users are a waste of space do not stick up for them this is why we are in the state we are, drug dealers, drug importers, put me down for the next hangmans job I would not blink an eye as I hung them, girl in the news in prison abroad facing death penalty gets pregnant in jail and then we bring her home so she can serve her sentance here at a cost of £30,000 a year plus the cost of her brat, she should have been left to rot  will shut up now as I am getting madas I have just seen one of our soldiers on the news 3 limbs blown off that is who should get the bloody £30,000 a year not that bitch |
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| gazzer |
quoteWhy is drug taking even a crime? Drug addicts are ill and should be treated as such. We might as well criminalise getting acold. Ill.How does that work.Nobody gets ill on purpose but some people choose to start taking drugs. Thats the difference. Why should my tax go towards treating someone who has chosen to take drugs. To safeguard its citizens the governments have made drugs illegal. Its the penalties that are not strong enough. I knew two people who took drugs."only cannabis" but soon led to stronger stuff that took their lives. It really annoys me when liberals start saying drug taking is an illness.Its a crime and dealers are murderers. Rant over on this subject. |
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| wahiba |
If addiction is not an illness what is it? As to why people take drugs? to be honest i do not know. Tobacco and the rest have never held any appeal to me. But then mental illness has never afflicted me, or anyone within the immediate family. However, I am addicted to another drug, not to badly I must admit, and that is sugar. Oh yes. sugar is adictive and as one expert pointed out, if it were invented today it would be banned! Lineralism has nothing to do with it. Common sense has. People become addicted to drugs like heroin and cocaine becasue they have a problem. How, why I will leave to the experts. Criminalising a medical problem is just plain daft. At one time committing suicide was illegal, well failing was, people were actually jailed for failing to kill themselves. What is the difference with drugs. We have grown up and now recognise suicide as an illness, so why not drug taking? I have never understood why people actually want to take drugs. Anyone like to let us know why? |
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| alan |
Criminalising sugar wahiba? Do you sniff it or smoke it then?  Think I'll stick to my own drug dealers at Sainsbury's with the malt |
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| gazzer |
quoteIf addiction is not an illness what is it? Nobody is addicted when they take their first drug.Its a lifestyle choice not an illness |
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| wahiba |
Why do people make a life style choice that involves highly addictive substances? Sugar is basically an addictive substance. The term 'craving' is often used with sweets. The other term for many foods with sugar in is 'moorish'. The observation that if discovered today sugar would be banned becasue of its addictive qualities was made by a medical expert. No doubt the same might be said about alchohol. We definitely know tobacco is, but no outright ban yet! |
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| alan |
This has turned silly now. PETER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Peter |
Why has this topic drifted to being the fault of the user when without the supply of drugs (supplied by the dealers) there wouldn't be a problem. Shouldn't the priority be to stop the production and supply of the drugs? Isn't the case in question all about a drug dealer and stopping him dealing. Whether the sentence was long enough for the misery caused is debatible but that is the legal system we have - vote to change it. |
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| Todlem |
quoteWhy has this topic drifted to being the fault of the user when without the supply of drugs (supplied by the dealers) there wouldn't be a problem. Shouldn't the priority be to stop the production and supply of the drugs? Isn't the case in question all about a drug dealer and stopping him dealing. Whether the sentence was long enough for the misery caused is debatible but that is the legal system we have - vote to change it. Well said peter HANG the B-----ds |
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| bogtoss |
Wahiba sometimes I talk rubbish but your attitude to drugs and drug taking is barmy  if we all adopted your stance on the issue there would be rich dealers every where and smack heads on every street corner just waiting to rob and steal from all the decent people in our society. An illness dont make me laugh all self inflicted addictions are done by weak willed no hopers who look for a way of real life problems. |
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| alan |
Mmmmmmmm, gotta admit bogtoss has a point |
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| wahiba |
All the drugs now considered illegal were once available over the counter from any chemist to anyone. All the restrictions only started in the 1920s. Heroin is basically dia-morphine which is still prescribed in the UK as a pain killer. A lot of countries have banned it as a pain killer. My views are much the same as a lot of senior law enforcement officers and medical people. It is is only a lack of political will and a fear of sections of the popular press that inhibit anything being done about it. |
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| wahiba |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Why would anyone have to rob anyone for money to buy drugs if it was freely available from a medical source. This was the situation until the 1960s. People who became addicted were treated as ill and at least at the beginning were prescribed the drugs by their doctor. Similarly there would not be 'smack heads' on every corner as there would not be any dealers to start the habit. I suspect the system is to give the sick persons the drug first and then when they are addicted make them pay for the rest. Not much point in getting someone addicted if they then go to theri doctor and get it on the NHS. This really is a no brainer. |
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| wahiba |
quote...An illness dont make me laugh all self inflicted addictions are done by weak willed no hopers who look for a way of real life problems. Actually you have described very well someone who is ill. A perfect target for a drug dealer. I have no personal experience of mental illness but I think your description of someone suffering from depression is probably spot on. Well done. |
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| carliol |
so wahiba, are you saying that everyone suffering from depression (or who wants to take heroin) should be prescribed heroin and therefore become an addict? On the taxpayer? We would then have 30 million addicts, no drug dealers, and life would involve the rest of us watching out for these people running us over, falling asleep at machines, and behaving strangely. Sounds like a recipe for even more criminals in jail. Maybe I've misread you. |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) So wahiba we should spend our taxes money on the NHS for drug addicts to get their fixes and repairing the damage the drug taking does? Bugger those with cancer, heart problems, etc etc who need expensive drugs! Probably one of the very daftest things you have ever said. Spend a week in Airedale, or any NHS hospital, and get a dose of reality! |
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| Golden Oldie |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Our young people SHOULD be protected from the ravages of drug taking. One point made was that these people are ill, well, they certainly weren't before they started taking the filthy stuff. Making it legal , what a corker. Another strain on our already deflated N.H.S. Get real, get the Bs that are making money from this crime, in jail or deported. Stiffer sentences all round. |
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| wahiba |
The question I originally asked is 'why do people start taking drugs?' Bogtoss in their inimical way basically suggested the obvious in that it is people who have a mental problem. Of course not everyone who has a mental problem is going to become a drug addict. Also I never suggested that those mentally ill be given drugs as a 'cure'. What I said is that some people with a problem are encouraged onto drugs so that they then become addicts and hence have to pay. If once they became addicts and realised their problem they could be helped by the NHS, including the provision of said drugs, the raison d'etre for the drug dealer to get them addicted in the first place goes. Illegal drug dealing requires follow up customers. Remove the follow up customers and there is no market. If the market collapses then there is no reason for people to encourage people to become addicted for illegal gain. This is actually pretty obvious to a lot of people, but stangely an awful lot cannot see it. I am not suggesting that drugs be freely available. What I am suggesting is that once people are hooked they are given real help, which will mean them being prescribed the drug, otherwise they will drift back to the illegal market. Break the market and people will still become addicted, but in not in such numbers as the availablity of the initial access must be reduced if there cannot be a follow up market. There is a vicious cycle that needs breaking. Becasue of the hype over the criminality of drugs, and the vested interests of many government and non government agencies, no politician has the bottle to tackle it. Reports stating this needs to happen have been suppressed even. Remove the customers from any business and the business cannot survive. Criminals cannot compete with a 'free' supply from the NHS so their business must fail. This is the last time I intend spelling this viewpoint out. But please, just think about the situation. Think it through. Of course if someone knows how to remove the addcitive geners by gene modification of the originating plants then fine. But until there is a bio-tech solution we must realise that this is a social problem, not a criminal one. |
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