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Topic : Highway Code re cyclists! |
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| grandad |
I found the following rules whilst reading my Highway Code again. Rule 60, At night your cycle MUST have white front and red rear lights lit, it MUST also be fitted with a red reflector (and amber pedal reflectors , if manufactured after 01/10/85) Rule 68, You MUST NOT,section 4, ride in a dangerous, careless or inconsiderate manner. These two rules are LAW so why do so many cyclist break them? |
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| dogcatcher |
they have the same rights as cars but never read the highway code, they ride on pavements ,go through red lights, and wont stop for anything,as for road lights they never learn they think a flashing light is ok but not without one thats on all the time as well,ps they are very good to see but are not legal without a constant light,(no doubt this will open the flood gates)pps not aimed at law abiding cyclists  |
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| MATTSKI |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) I'm not going to rise to the bait laid by granded as clearly his opinion is very much set in concrete, I too could quote many rules from the highway code that drivers frequently break but there would be far too many to list here, and what would be the point? other than for provocation. However all I would add is as a cyclist and a car driver, I would challenge anyone who holds an opinion on this subject to cycle 10 miles* or more, on any road in this area and then they will see who the real illigal, aggressive, inconsiderate, "careless and dangerous" road users are. *assuming they could. |
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| grandad |
Mattski, you are being impolite to the vast majority of careful law abiding motorists; who do share the roads with the cyclists. My point in posting this topic was that I would hazard a guess that most if not all of the new cycles sold do not comply with the law, therefore they should not be on the roads, also the cyclist must not ride in an inconsiderate manner, therefore riding in a big bunch on roads where it is impossible to overtake such a group is inconsiderate, is it any wonder that some drivers get annoyed at this situation? |
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| MATTSKI |
quoteI would hazard a guess And there lies the problem!!!! I'm surprised you've not played "I pay road tax" card too. even though as we all know there is no such thing. However flippant comments aside.... To your point of 'inconsiderate'. there is a very valid reason why cyclists ride in a bunch, and it is mainly for consideration purposes, as well as being a larger mass to be seen, for example take a group of 20 cyclists assuming eash one takes on average 2 metres from front to back wheel. If they were all in single file this would cover a distance of 40 metres, which is far more difficult to overtake on the country roads around us in Silsden than it would be a line of 20 metres (assuming 2 abreast, even less if it was 3). Or are you saying that you would happily like to overtake (/squeeze past) single file cyclists whilst there is oncoming traffic in the opposite direction? As whilst you have you Highway Code to hand I would urge you to read the last section of rule 163 and rule 213 FYI the LAW around cycles being supplied with reflectors (and a working Bell) is adhered to (from mine ond others I know experience) however it is not illegal to remove these once the bike has been purchased and ownership transferred. |
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| MATTSKI |
quoteMattski, you are being impolite to the vast majority of careful law abiding motorists The irony  |
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| grandad |
Typical cyclist, they are always right and everybody else is wrong! The law says the reflectors MUST be on the bike if it is to be ridden on the road. Even if that was not the case they are there to make the cyclist safer, so stop blaming the drivers when you are not prepared to take care of yourselves. And yes has you have brought it up, why shouldn't you pay something towards the cost of the upkeep of the roads seeing as how you are the ones who complaining the most about the poor state of them. And when you cause a collision how is the third party supposed to claim from you when you do not have any insurance? Lets have an even playing field where we all have to have third party insurance cover. |
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| adeythom |
Will the insurance also be valid for cyclists weaving down pavements, through crowds of people, and getting annoyed if anyone dares to get in their way? quoteTypical cyclist, they are always right and everybody else is wrong! The law says the reflectors MUST be on the bike if it is to be ridden on the road. Even if that was not the case they are there to make the cyclist safer, so stop blaming the drivers when you are not prepared to take care of yourselves. And yes has you have brought it up, why shouldn't you pay something towards the cost of the upkeep of the roads seeing as how you are the ones who complaining the most about the poor state of them. And when you cause a collision how is the third party supposed to claim from you when you do not have any insurance? Lets have an even playing field where we all have to have third party insurance cover. |
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| grandad |
Sorry I forgot to check on rules 163 & 213. 163, Yes I do observe all of these, maybe you and you mates need to read bullet point 7! 213 I am a motorcyclist and I have passed my I.A.M. test; so yes I do know that we two wheeled road users may need to change direction, so I do give then enough room, Question, When you are riding in your big bunch are you all far enough apart to allow for sudden change of direction? |
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| dogcatcher |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) in the front of the highway code no 46 states about lights and reflectors and in no 51 it states you should ride in single file on narrow AND busy roads and no 52 look well ahead for obstructions in the road ie drains POTHOLES etc so you dont have to swerve to avoid them ,also no 54 and 55 about riding on pavements and stopping at red lights numbers mat differ as my copy is 2007 just sending for new one |
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| MATTSKI |
quoteTypical cyclist Please let me know what one of these is because you seem to have had a far greater experienece of what one is than I have. Is this the same as a 'typical car driver' a 'typical motorcyclist' a 'typical taxi driver' a 'typical cobbydaler' etc etc. So lets cover some of your points: I also drive a car and pay enough through council taxes and PAYE etc to contibute to the goverment coffers for the upkeep (or arguably lack of upkeep) of our roads. But essentially the damage caused bu cyclists to the roads through wear and tear is far less than a car. likewise for those who ride motorbikes. (bloody ell grandad I'm almost siding with you here!!!  ) It may come as a surprise to you that I do have insurance, as do many who cycle as a serious hobby, I suppose to cover ourselves against 'typical car drivers' As for riding in a group when formed by relatively experienced riders, there are a set of calls, signals and instructions sent through the group to warn of any on coming dangers or intentions of the riders in front and responsibility is assumed by all parties. I would have thought as a motorcyclist you would have appreciated 'that bloody cycle race' as a few describe it, as a good thing as a lot of the roads especially on the route are being resurfaced? As for the IAM, I have personal experience of qualified chartered accountants being made bankrupt, and have read news reports of solicitors in prison. to spell it out, just because you have a certificate to prove you have passed a test, doesn't mean you are better than anyone else. As a whole its nice to see the toloerance for all road users is alive and well in Silsden!! A thought: Regardless of who caused any collision between a cyclist (or motorcyclist) and a car or lorry it will be the cyclist (or motorcyclist) who comes off worse. Please lets have a bit of consideration. |
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| thanet |
I agree all the way with grandad and i think they should be made to have mirrows too so they can see whats behind them |
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| Dodzi |
and wear helmets and protective clothing, and pass a test before being allowed to venture on the road.....as should horse riders, pedestrians ans anyone else..... |
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| grandad |
I gather from your comment about the I.A.M. that you have not bothered to take their further training? I considered myself to be a reasonable driver/rider then I took their training and learnt so much more about awareness on the roads, that I enjoy driving/rider so much more. One of the many things they taught me was, If you are involved in any incident on the road; don't just blame the other person, ask yourself, "Was there anything I could have done differently that might have mitigated some of the negative outcome?" Well on that point you are complaining about the other road users endangering you safety, so what have you done to change; that will help? Some suggestions, Wear HI VIZ clothing (Not Black). Make sure the bike is fitted with all of the lights and reflectors it should have. Give clear signals when maneuvering. Always observe the rules of the road, and to reply to your comments about the way you bunch up, No I do not suggest you all ride in one big long line, but how about if you split up into pairs and left about 100yds between each pair then faster moving vehicles could get past each one then wait for the next chance to overtake the next group. If I am out either on my bike or in the car and somebody catches me up; then they are obviously going faster than I am, so unless the reason I am going slower is that I am waiting to overtake something ahead I will let them past at the first opportunity. Tractors which travel at 20mph are supposed to stop and allow any tailback to get past. Lets all try and live together, we the 2 wheel road users are the ones who always come off worst in the event of a collision, so why not endevour to improve the way we all use the roads? |
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| greengrass |
Its not often I agree with doggy but he has some good points. And Grandad speaks the a lot off truth you cyclists just do not care so why not fine all you lot that drives in big bunches and destroy all bikes that do not have insurance |
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| k.j.i |
MATTSKI I totally agree with you. I'm not a cyclist myself but I know cyclists and they also drive and pay road tax and insurance etc. What will people who think cyclists need to follow the Highway Code be saying next... people need to pass a test before they can step outside their own front door. People need to think before they write things on here and start to think all cyclists are bad. If a cyclist rode closely past a car then the most it would do to the car is scratch/dent it but if a car drove too close past a cyclist then there would be more serious implications. |
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| grandad |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) quoteMATTSKI I totally agree with you. I'm not a cyclist myself but I know cyclists and they also drive and pay road tax and insurance etc. What will people who think cyclists need to follow the Highway Code be saying next... people need to pass a test before they can step outside their own front door. People need to think before they write things on here and start to think all cyclists are bad. If a cyclist rode closely past a car then the most it would do to the car is scratch/dent it but if a car drove too close past a cyclist then there would be more serious implications. You say "People need to think before they write things" I totally agree. When a cyclist rides closely past a car the most likely thing to happen is that a door will be opened and the cyclist will get injured! The point I have been trying to make all along on this post is that cyclist need to take responsibility for their own safety, and not ride as if the road traffic act only applies to other road users, then think that whatever goes wrong they can blame the third party. And yes why shouldn't cyclists have to pass a basic test? I watched a real rescue program; where a cyclist had ridden into the back of a tractor the cause? He was almost blind and couldn't see the tractor. Yes all road users should have to have third party liability insurance. A friend of mine was riding his M/Cycle down the outside lane to turn right; approaching a set of lights which were at red so there were a line of vehicles in the left hand lane, when a woman walk out between the stationary vehicles knocking him off, (No he wasn't going fast) he injured himself; was off work for months and couldn't claim off the woman, she had no insurance and no money. |
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| jonno |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quote Yes all road users should have to have third party liability insurance. A friend of mine was riding his M/Cycle down the outside lane to turn right; approaching a set of lights which were at red so there were a line of vehicles in the left hand lane, when a woman walk out between the stationary vehicles knocking him off, (No he wasn't going fast) he injured himself; was off work for months and couldn't claim off the woman, she had no insurance and no money. Third party liability insurance wouldn't have helped your friend. That kind of insurance covers you if you are liable for damages to a third party, ie if you ran into a car and damaged it and it was your fault the insurance could pay out for the repairs.[Edit: unless you're suggesting the woman should have had thirdy party cover?! which I don't think you are suggesting] Speaking as a cyclist and a car driver I am aware that some cyclists do not follow all the highway code. I am also very aware that many many car drivers do not give a flying fart about cyclists. When I cycle I wear high vis gear and have good lights, it hasn't stopped a few car drivers knocking me off and loads more nearly knocking me off and then crying sorry mate I didn't see you. People are busier than ever and there are more vehicles on more crowded roads than ever before. All road users need to be more alert and aware of what's around them and reduce the distractions to good driving/riding. Ultimately, you may feel many cyclists have a disregard for the rules of the road and they need regulating, but it's mostly only themselves who they put at serious risk. When car drivers break the rules or are simply careless or inatentive when a cyclist is around them, they run a very serious risk of badly injuring or killing the cyclist. Cyclists need to be careful and look out for themselves as much as possible but car drivers also need to be aware and make allowances for this very vulnerable class of road users. Tarring all car drivers or cyclists with the same brush is silly as they are all different and some are very good and some are arseholes and at the end of the day will always be so no matter what. |
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| MATTSKI |
Nice to see Harry and Amy fully dressed in hi-viz black!!! Bloody cyclists, its an accident waiting to happen. (said with tongue firmly in cheek) |
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| MATTSKI |
There was an interesting letter in last weeks Craven Herald regarding cyclists and more importantly the public perception of them. The point made was that if a car driver did something wrong, you'd pass it off as an everyday event (you may even gesticulate a little, shout or sound your horn), however if cyclist did something wrong you may still do the above but there is more complusion to write a letter to a newspaper (or post on an internet forum) telling the readers of the outrageous behavior. It's most certainly a cultural thing, I had the pleasure of riding for a charity from London to Paris a few years ago, whilst on french roads a car caught up with the main bunch of riders I was in, we tucked into the side as much as we could to enable her to pass. After what we thought were several opportunities for her to pass she still stayed patiently behind us, only when the road was clear for some distance, straight and visible (after approximately 2 miles of being behind us) did she overtake, and as she did, she gave us all a polite wave and a smile. To say that we were all completely shocked is an understatement |
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| dexter |
It's all about patience on all sides...something in short supply these days |
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| shlozzy |
"Tarring all car drivers or cyclists with the same brush is silly as they are all different and some are very good and some are arseholes and at the end of the day will always be so no matter what." Good and accurate reply Jonno |
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| grandad |
Junno, YES everybody should have third party liability, cost a minimal amount if included on your home insurance about £1 per year, had she had done so my friend would have been able to claim. The claim "Sorry mate I didn't see you" is also used when a motorcyclist is put in danger, So far I have not had a collision in a case of this when out on my M/C because I do not put myself in a position where their not seeing me will result in me being involved in a collision. All part of the I.A.M. training. Matski, I also notices their lack of Hi Vis, but to be fair they were being followed by a motorcyclist, and he was wearing one. |
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