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Topic : parking on dropped kerbs |
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| bandnwire |
I go out in my wheelchair most days, so I am aware of most of the dropped kerbs in Silsden. The main one I have trouble with is right outside the carpet shop on Clog Bridge/Howden Road. There is always a car parked right across the dropped kerb that I need to access to get onto the pavement. I therefore have to drive on the road from where the turn off is into the new housing estate, facing oncoming traffic, and then manage to get onto the pavement where a dropped kerb is on Clog Bridge. I know what motorists must be thinking when they see me coming towards them, and it's a bit frightening and dangerous. I mentioned it to the people in the carpet shop, but they denied knowing any owners of cars. I also spoke to a Community Constable, but he said it was no offence to park across a dropped kerb. I thought that I had seen in one of the newspapers that come from Bradford that it was an offence. Any help on this would be much appreciated. |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Parking alongside Dropped Kerbs Parking alongside dropped kerbs is prohibited in London under the provisions of Section 14 of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003. Part 6 of the Traffic Management Act 2004 when enacted will repeal section 14 and give all local authorities in England with civil parking enforcement powers the ability to take action when a vehcile is parked alongside a dropped kerb in a Special Enforcement Area (that is, an area where parking is, in all other instances, permitted). The regulations underpinning Part 6 of this Act are due to come into force early in 2008. Action to regulate and enforce pavement parking or parking alongside dropped kerbs is strictly a matter for the relevant local authority. The Department for Transport cannot intervene. www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tmaportal/tmafeatures/tmapart6/secparkingfactsheets/parkingonpavements Just illegal in London by the sounds of it |
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| alan |
Why couldn't they prosecute for simple obstruction? |
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| bandnwire |
If it was rhe same vehicle each time I would take their number and try to get something done, but it can be different vehicles, which makes me think that they are either carpet shop customers or someone leaving it there whilst they go shopping. On a weekend there is no problem. I think I will keep a record of the car numbers to see if anyone is using it repeatedly. The community constable had no interest at all, just said there was no offence being committed. Do you think I should appeal to the human rights.lol? |
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| Peter |
Take the number and ask at the local garages... they have a parking problem during the day. |
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| alan |
E-mail me some pictures of the offenders and I'll pass them on - alan@silsden.net |
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| bandnwire |
Thank you, I will do this. I went out at 1pm today and there was a car parked blocking the kerb access, and when I came past at 4pm the same car was still there. I noted the number, and will keep a record. |
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| wahiba |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Write to the council explaining the problem. Point out that they have a duty of care for all the ratepayers and that now they know there is a real problem failure to act could make them liable and responsible in the evnt of an accident. Even if they do not introduce the dropped kerb rule, and realsing there is money to made they might, they could always paint double yellow lines beside dropped kerbs. As for the PCSO not wanting to know. Either pester him/her or complain up the line. They operate out of Ilkley police station. If you are a regular user it could be construed as obstruction. Roads are actually meant for travelling on, not parking on. Allowing parking on the highway is a legal concession, it is not a right. Pester power can be quite effective so long as one sticks to the point and do not descend to rudeness. |
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| wahiba |
Checked this one out as I walked by today. Right on the corner. Best to get double yellow lines along there. With all the new houses built around there the stteret makings need sorting out for all those streets. |
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| Peter |
I'm only the messenger to post this picture and I would not condemn the carpet shop people from parking outside their shop to load / unload. I'm sure they would move it if asked.  |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Peter. You should maybe remove the pic asap or someone may get fined for using a camera whilst driving |
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| alan |
Not if it's the passenger  |
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| wahiba |
I think there is a yellow line option that permits loading and unloading, in this instance fair enough, but not parking. That is what is needed there. |
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| alan |
The interesting thing wahaba is that cars were moved for the van to park. See the first post in this thread where it states that the shop did not know who the cars were. Granted the cars might not be the same ones, but it is my opinion that NO ONE should block a dropped kerb under any circumstances. In this instance what does someone coming down Howden Road on a disability scooter or wheelchair do? Scream across the road for the van to be moved? |
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| jonno |
quoteWhy couldn't they prosecute for simple obstruction? Indeed, if they wanted to they could. I was done for parking with my bumper overhanging the T of a solid white line, which is unenforceable, so they simply did me for obstruction instead. A bit harsh in my opinion but it illustrates my point, they can do it if they want to. |
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| alan |
I used to have a very close friend of mine who had MS and in the latter stages was in a wheelchair. You certainly learn about others bad habits and lack of consideration when you push a wheelchair around any town! I just can't believe it's not an offence!!! |
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| wahiba |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) As I have pointed out before any vehicle not travelling on the highway is actually obstructing the highway. Parking on the highway is a concession, not a right. Consequently obstruction is the final catch all for any vehicle on the highway that is not moving. In this case the vehicle is obstructing the free passage of a disabled persons personal vehicle. Pester everyone until they do something. Whether or not obstruction is within the remit of the PCSOs I do not know, it certainly is something the police can deal with. |
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| bandnwire |
Thanks for taking this picture. It explains the problem perfectly. We came past yesterday in our car at about 4pm when the van was unloading. I thought straight away it seemed strange that no cars were there. I must also explain that I cannot come down Howden Road all the way on the left hand side, as my wheelchair is wider than the average and is 4 wheel steer, so takes a bit of manouvering. I have to cross over at the Toyota garage to where the pavement is wider. I must admit that the rest of Silsden is brilliant for its dropped kerbs. |
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| bogtoss |
when I stroll from pub to pub sometimes I have to dodge these small electric wheel chair things, now we have dropped kerbs would it not be possible to put white lines down the pavements we all would then know which side to stay on drivers and pedestrians |
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| alan |
The information was passed on to a 'real' policeman at the town council meeting bandnwire........... |
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| bandnwire |
Are you sure that you are not getting wheelchairs and scooters mixed up Bogtoss! Anyone can go out and buy a scooter and I must admit they are a bit nippy. I am in a wheelchair 24/7 due to MS and I had to take a driving test at Airedale because it was for outdoor use. I also have taken out third party insurance, which I know a lot of these scooter riders haven't. Thank you Alan for bringing this to the attention of a 'real policeman' . I am not a trouble maker, I am just a sweet little old lady who enjoys travelling round Silsden, and I would prefer to do so safely. I also spend a lot of time on my computer, and I enjoy reading Silsden net. |
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| bogtoss |
bandwire I am only joking I am sorry to hear about you MS and hope you get around silsden for years to come, and you are right those scooters can go a bit can't wait till I get mine I am going to put roo bars on the front and woe be tide any one who gets in my way on the pavement>  |
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| skippy |
alan i bet the police sergant wont be happy with you  tut tut dont you know the difference yet male or female hhmmmmmm |
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| alan |
Didn't want to be sexist, but if you want it was really a policewoman  - the sergeant! |
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| grandad |
If you read the leaflet about the Bradford Council parking enforcement department you will see that parking in such a way as to obstruct drop kerbs is an offence and one which they are supposed to be enforcing. The problem is, as usual for Silsden we don’t have any designated personnel to cover Silsden, instead we are covered by an as and when scheme by the supervisors if and when they are passing through the Town to check on the workers out in Ilkley who do have their own men. |
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| alan |
Interesting, a certain police sergeant said that it could also be construed as obstruction and the police deal with it! |
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| wahiba |
The police sergeat in question will certainly know the dropped kerb you are talking about, unless the picture on the police website of the Ilkley battalion is wrong. |
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| bandnwire |
ok bogtoss, this proves a point that seeing something written down does not always come across as a joke. Anyway I always drive nearest the wall, after all why should I be the one that falls into the road! Hope to see you around on my travels. |
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| bogtoss |
thanks bandwire you come across as a realy nice person I do hope I see you soon. |
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| grandad |
Both are correct, but when the council workers have nothing else to do, why should the police have to do their job as well? |
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| alan |
Because the police are PAID to do so. If they do not want to uphold the law I would suggest they get another job! |
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| bandnwire |
Alan, can I just clear something up. You said that my complaint regarding blocking the dropped kerb outside the carpet shop had been passed onto a police officer at your meeting. The only thing that's worrying me is what action they are going to take. Is someone going to have a word with the owners that the kerb should not be obstructed (unless they are unloading) as I have noticed that it seems to be the same car parked there, or are they just going to mention to the community constables to have a walk past occasionally. I am meanwhile left with my current situation of having to drive in the road facing the oncoming traffic, putting myself at risk. |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) She was going to look at it and try to resolve it. |
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| alan |
I would suggest that somebody also needs to bring this up at the PACT meeting on Thursday......... It will be brought up again at the next TC meeting IF I have copies of details of cars, preferably with photos. |
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| bandnwire |
Thanks for this. I will take my camera with me each time I go out. When I went down today about 1.30pm there wasn't a car there at all. I can't remember it being like that for a long while. When I came back 2hours later it was still the same, and I began to think I was really losing it, and it must be Sunday! |
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| bandnwire |
I will hopefully be attending this meeting so I can bring it up. |
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