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Topic : Another near miss at Bell Square |
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| Peter |
I was sitting outside the Kings on Saturday and saw a car pull out in front of a tractor towing a grass trailer. Fortunately for the car the tractor was able to stop inches away from the car, but had the trailer been full of grass this would not have been the case. The tractor going up Bolton Road had a queue of traffic behind - you would have thought the car could have seen something, but no it turned right and pulled straight in front on the tractor. Bradford has just dressed the road and not repainted the white lines but that isn't an excuse - there is something fundamentally wrong with this junction that it can have so many near misses and accidents. |
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| victor |
Peter If the drivers look right, left , and right again they should not have any problems. If they have near misses it is poor driving, not the junction. I have been driving in Silsden since 1965 and I have never had a problem getting out of Bell square. |
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| gazzer |
quotePeter If the drivers look right, left , and right again they should not have any problems. If they have near misses it is poor driving, not the junction. I have been driving in Silsden since 1965 and I have never had a problem getting out of Bell square. Guess you were driving before Bell Sq was built. If it were just down to drivers there would be no more accidents than elsewhere. The fact is this junction has more than its fair share of bumps. Its always the same...car pulls out in front of a vehicle that has come up the main street. Its not caused by people not looking its caused by people not seeing the car coming. When you look right you sight is drawn towards the church so you miss the vehicle outside the new barbers. I know in theory there is no such thing as an accident but sometimes road engineering does not help |
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| dogcatcher |
straight forward really BAD DRIVERS not concentrating and lack of care and attention,usually not long after setting off from home, minds on other things  |
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| Peter |
Oh to be such a perfect driver. Have you considered the driver pulling out of Bell Square might not be from Silsden? I have personally witnessed several accidents on this junction, all of a similar nature - a car turning right and pulling out in front of traffic coming up Bolton Road. Perhaps something should be done to protect drivers from themselves. The junction has had too many accidents. |
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| gazzer |
quotestraight forward really BAD DRIVERS not concentrating and lack of care and attention,usually not long after setting off from home, minds on other things Its not really straight forward though is it?.Tell me why Bell Sq, in your opinion attracts more bad drivers than all the other roads in Silsden combined? |
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| Cobydaler |
Still say this is the problem . Just remove the top row of stones from the wall outside bai tong .As you approach from Bell Sq you see cars by the church but not after because of the wall . Your brain subconsciously interpretates this as the road is clear & unless you are aware of the problem you pull out in front of a car . Have a look the next time you are coming up to the main road . The top row of stones have been added causing the blind spot !!! . You look right before you get to the junction ( no cars you don't need to stop ) People who don't know the junction go on what thier brain tells the . Before you all shout rubish its bad drivers try it for yourselfs . As soon as you clear the building wall do what most drivers would and look right . Then think what your brain has just told you . |
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| Peter |
An update on this topic which occurred this morning, not such a near miss this time...... There was a coming together of a bus turning right by the kings arms and silver golf just after seven, bus moved to layby and driver looking at front , golf pulled over in front of pub and looking at nearside. Glass and debris un middle of road, |
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| adeythom |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) It was the 7:00 Keighley bus. It was about to go onto Bolton Road after a car stopped to let him through. Unfortunately, the Golf driver presumably didn't see the bus, overtook the waiting vehicles, and was in the wrong place when the bus came out. Car had a broken passenger window and a pretty big dent on the door, the bus limped to the bus stop. I think everyone in board (including me!) we're a bit shaken, but OK otherwise. It was a very low speed crash! quoteAn update on this topic which occurred this morning, not such a near miss this time...... There was a coming together of a bus turning right by the kings arms and silver golf just after seven, bus moved to layby and driver looking at front , golf pulled over in front of pub and looking at nearside. Glass and debris un middle of road, |
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| ealteacher |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Gazzer is absolutely right. And Cobydaler is also absolutely right. I checked what he said and it is true. I have been driving for 40 years with no collisions. I took care to observe what was going on at this junction when I was turning right to go into Silsden going Keighley direction. There is definitely an area where an oncoming vehicle would not be obvious - because of the road layout. I know so I take extra care to pull a little further forward and check especially. - but there was a time before when I misjudged and did not see a vehicle. All alright as I had plenty of time. But it is obvious that this junction is difficult. |
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| easynow |
i got almost took out by the 5.00 saturday Silsden to keighley single decker , the driver approached the most narrow part of Elliot street with cars parked on his side of the road meaning i had right of way , he just floored the bus instead of waiting for me to clear the 30 yards as i was already committed down the road , he missed me by millimetres . i hit the kerb with no where to manouvre away from it , not happy ...flaming bus driver heading for an accident . |
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| adeythom |
You don't think the problem here might be "...most narrow part of Elliot Street with cars parked on his side of the road..."?  quotei got almost took out by the 5.00 saturday Silsden to keighley single decker , the driver approached the most narrow part of Elliot street with cars parked on his side of the road meaning i had right of way , he just floored the bus instead of waiting for me to clear the 30 yards as i was already committed down the road , he missed me by millimetres . i hit the kerb with no where to manouvre away from it , not happy ...flaming bus driver heading for an accident . |
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| adeythom |
Also, I feel the need to point out that the accident this morning wasn't due to ANYTHING the bus driver did or didn't do! (Not that I hold any particular brief for bus drivers, but I've been travelling on buses all over the place for 50 years, and that's the first accident I've been involved in...) |
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| Landrover |
The bell square junction was ill thought out, we had a perfectly good junction at bottom of Briggate,, the Dradishaw bus used it both ways, cars used to park in Briggate as they now do. Change for the sake etc. reinstate the roundabout. Make Briggate two way. |
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| dins |
Nothing wrong with the junction, too many distracted drivers is the problem. Music blaring, having a nosey to see if they know anyone sat outside the pub etc.etc,. CONCENTRATE YOU MORONS !!!!!!!!!!CONCENTRATE........ |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteNothing wrong with the junction, too many distracted drivers is the problem. Music blaring, having a nosey to see if they know anyone sat outside the pub etc.etc,. CONCENTRATE YOU MORONS !!!!!!!!!!CONCENTRATE........ So now it must be just young drivers because they have music blaring, accidents only happen in summer when its sunny and people are sat outside the pub(never in a morning then!) Talk about generalisations I suppose people do not listen to music coming out of Aire View or Elliott St!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| grandad |
It takes two to tango! Last night at about 5 PM I was driving up Bolton Rd and there was a small black car waiting at the end of Bell square so I slowed and placed my foot over the brake pedal sure enough he drove out in front of me, far enough away so I didn't even have to brake, then the minibus Taxi followed him out without even looking my way, I stopped and held my hands up in a sign of disbelief the driver still appeared not to see me. But there was not a collision! |
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| dinsydoodah |
Generalisation ?? Who mentioned young people.....YOU did. Loud music was one example, did you not read the etc,etc. As i said CONCENTRATE.You are obviously easily distracted. |
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| Peter |
I asked for this junction to be made into a STOP junction when the white lines required replacing last time BUT Bradford repainted the GIVE WAY line the same week. The junction white lines need repainting again, so NOW is the time to make this in a STOP JUNCTION. PLEASE..... It may not stop the accidents but it would be a step in the right direction to make the junction safer. |
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| jonno |
I would agree with the posters who've said the wall outside Purple Garlic is obscuring the view of drivers coming out of Bell square onto Bolton Road. You need to come to a stop right up to the Give Way lines to be able to see down the road properly. I am always very careful now and I am also slightly rude because I keep well over to the left to prevent cars squeezing past so they can go up the road because they obtruct your view up the road when they do so. |
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| dogcatcher |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteNothing wrong with the junction, too many distracted drivers is the problem. Music blaring, having a nosey to see if they know anyone sat outside the pub etc.etc,. CONCENTRATE YOU MORONS !!!!!!!!!!CONCENTRATE........ well said dins ive been pulling out of there for 40+years probably,, not long after it was made a road,not a hic up BAD DRIVERS not paying attention,i can see down the road ok and up it,ps i didnt say i was a good driver just a careful one!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| DoubleD |
I used to dabble in junction design back in the day the link below explains visibility splays in pretty simple terms. If I remember rightly the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) states that if standard sighting distances aren't met then a stop junction MAY be considered. It's up to the highway authority which in this case would be Brad Met. I treat bell square as a stop junction myself and I've never had any bother. I was behind someone the other day though and they pulled right out in front of an oncoming car - even I saw it coming so I tend to agree with the argument that some people just aren't concentrating. I've had an accident in the past because I wasn't concentrating so it does happen (it wasn't at bell square I must add!). www.publicrealm.info/faqmus_19_visibility_splays.pdf |
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| ealteacher |
With due respect to all the posters on this thread, I have to add this: would you prefer roads and junctions to be planned only for drivers who never make mistakes? Or would you prefer roads and junctions to be planned with an eye to the real world where people are sometimes distracted and make mistakes. After an accident, will blaming the drivers and doing nothing else make us any safer? Or is it better for all our safety (children and grandchildren too) to build in appropriate safety measures that allow for real people who make mistakes occasionally. Would it be rude to ask if the readers of this thread have never made a misjudgement when driving? I certainly have. |
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| grandad |
ealteacher, Whilst it is possible to make roads safer; they can never be made totally safe, there will always be drivers who should not be on the roads. Yes; Peter making it a stop junction will help, But only if drivers actually stop and look properly, which is precisely what they should be doing now. I would like to see a roundabout at this junction, if used properly this would make everybody slow down when approaching the junction from every direction, thereby slowing vehicles entering Kirkgate from Bolton Road as well as generally reducing speeds at the junction. |
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| Peter |
It's about time a temporary CCTV was setup on the Bell Square junction and see how people really use the junction. All this speculation and theories is not really helping. Watching the Boules outside the old library last week, with on eye on the junction, was an interesting experience. It wasn't just the near miss (how can you miss a tractor?)it was the way people coming down Bolton Road and turning right into Bell Square inevitably cut the corner, and there is no way the bus can get round without the front going over the pavement (not the wheels) and the back cutting the corner. |
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| grandad |
Peter the CCTV that is outside Stefano's should be able to see the junction, maybe we could get it to look that way whenever it is not needed to be looking elsewhere? |
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| Peter |
The camera needs to be positioned opposite the junction or somewhere near The Kings Arms. The idea would be to see how drivers use the junction and the type of vehicles that have a problem, not to catch bad drivers i.e. to enable a study to be carried out with recommendations and action to make the junction safer. |
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