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Topic : st pauls.. right to freedom to protest |
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| jackal |
I see on the news that the protesters are to be evicted as are the Glasgow protesters... I am disgusted that the government is behaving like this. If this was in Libya we would all be condemning the government over there, but because we think we voted in this government and we live in a 'democracy' we have the right to shut people up..... What happened to freedom; Of speech To protest To have views different to the government The church as o recall did allow them permission originally but now because of financial pressure has withdrew that permission. The protesters should have been allowed to protest freely in the park atleast.... This is a very controversial subject. Please only post your opinions with regard this subject, no ofensive language please. Thank you |
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| localman |
fair point,but why do the EDL and the BNP not get the same rights to protest as all the others there marches get banned maybe its because they are working class and not students and layabouts with nothing better to do sorry but its true. |
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| jonno |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) It is not clear to me who owns the land they are camped on. If it's the church then the City of London (CoL) have no business being involved, it's a matter between the church, the protesters and the police if a criminal act is being committed. However, it seems that it's the CoL who are trying to evict them, not the church. It seems a strange situation really. They say they are protesting but I imagine the legal definition of a "protest" is quite different from the "occupation" that is actually taking place. I have no problem with protests but I wonder what these protesters are actually achieving at this point. Surely they'd be better actually protesting properly outside banks etc in the financial district, outside parliament etc. localman, straight off topic as usual, BNP and EDL have their rallies banned because the vast majority of people recognise that they are basically racist organisations that promote hatred and bigotry. EDIT: EDL, not EDF as I put at first. |
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| jackal |
They tried to protest outside the stock exchange but the police stopped them. Now they are changing the law so nobody can actually protest anywhere near parliament. The land is partially owned by the church and the rest is owned by the col..... If its a public space I think anybody should have the right to protest .... By protest I mean peacefully..... No doubt localman is up to his usual tricks, please localman re-read the original post .... |
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| localman |
I thought church land belonged to the people not the church the church stole more land of the people than the banks ever did and that is a fact I mean what is the protest about is it the banks? if the banking industry moved to say new york this country would be finished they should all pack up and go round to the Greek embassy because if they do not vote the euro bail out through then you will see europe collapse and then my dear friends we will be all back to where Germany was in the 1930's and we know who they blamed for it all not the banks but the poor jews some one some where will pay the price and I can assure you it will not be the banks  |
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| jackal |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Localman.... I swear you have a very clever way of derailing the subject, if its not political then its war mongering and if not that then use the fear factor, I tell u what I think.... If I go bankrupt then the government don't give a toss so I don't give a toss if a bank goes bankrupt as long as the people who saved there get paid out... If Europe collapses then so what... People need to learn to rely on themselves and not the banks, Europe or some distant producer on the other side of the world. We need to build local economies where we grow our own and buy local produce, I remember when I was younger my dad used to buy a bucket of milk from the farmer and it no harm to me.... Now the poor farmers get 3-6p a litre whilst the big companies like Asda and Tesco make millions..... And none of the major supermarkets pay much tax compared to how much they make. As for immigrants ... Well let em come but there should be no benefits for em... Immigration is good when you need to build a strong economy but that's when immigrants work rather than leech of the system.... Phew..... Off topic but u asked for it Localman |
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| localman |
ah well back to the stone age then  |
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| ted |
jackal i agree with your original point about freedom to protest/speech and yet i somehow feel obliged to be hypocritical and ask Peter to remove localman from these threads as he's clearly a right wing extremist who has nothing better to do other than express pointless views on silsden.net all day. |
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| steetonblue |
It may be worth pointing out (now that the thread is back on track) that the Church, the police and the City of London have all said that the protesters can continue protesting - they just want removal of the permanent camp (although it seems the Church now hope to achieve this through dialogue anyway) |
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| localman |
good old red ted if you do not like it crush it, next the church will ask robert mugabe over as he is a friend of the church look anything to do with protests or the church does have a political reasons behind it just been listening to some of the so called protesters on the box have to say not any working class people there and that is a fact so who are these scruffy people who seem to go from one protest to the next and where do they get there money from? |
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| jonno |
So just because people don't look like you think they should they're not "working class" and don't have any right to voice their opinion. I think you might look a bit scruffy if you'd roughed it for as many nights as they have. But of course scruffy looking people have no business protesting, how dare they try to exercise their freedom of speech! Scuffers! I still think it's a good thing they are doing as it's making us talk about them, but really we need to be having a conversation not about them, but about what they stand for. quotefrom occupylsx.org/?page_id=575 |
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| localman |
wow so that what we all stand for what a load of old run of the mill tosh where did you get that from the red brigade manual  look communisn is dead just get over it as for strikes why should I and millions like me subsidise public sector pensions when I can not afford a pension for myself  give me one reason why I have to pay working class people go to work they do not sit on there arse all day out side st pauls smoking weed |
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| jonno |
quoteno, that's what they stand for, I've no idea what you stand for it seems to change with the wind. quotereally don't know why you think anyone is promoting communism quotewho is saying anyone should? quoteThey also take leave, paid and unpaid, to support causes they are bothered about, like all the people who do work for medicine sans frontiers for example quoteI think the only person doing this is you. |
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| hermione fraggle |
I rather supsect a lot of the protestor, from seeing the continued media coverage are from middle class backgrounds, a lot of them seem to go from protest to protest, someone is paying for this. Mummy and Daddy or a trust fund? As no student could spend this much time away from their course as you have to attened a minimum precentage of the lectures and teaching subjects to pass your course. I have no problem with them protesting, no problems with them expressing an opinion (whether it is right or wrong) but this is no longer a protest it is an occupation. Whilst it remians peaceful there is not much the authorities can or probably even should do. But what about when it turns nasty as all these things do. Some of these "professional" protest types tend to want to get involved to cause trouble and have a scrap with police etc. As for the pension strikes, I do work for the NHS and I am a union member, but I have voted no to strike action as 1. I see it as unfair to my team if I sod off for the day and leave them stuck 2. There are other ways other than striking 3. The public sector pensions do need reforming and I why should we get a "better" pension than people with with private pesnions 4. I am not sure I can afford to take a days unpaid leave, beleive it or not we don't all get paid super wages in the public sector |
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