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Topic : Silsden school latest |
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| midway |
Read it at 17/05793/SUB02 Bradford planning |
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| mayflower |
Thanks for this Midway. |
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| victor |
Hey Middy I don't like the 7 days a week working if required, I am certainly going to object. |
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| victor |
Just tried to object and guess what you can't comment on the submission. |
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| Peter |
this post has been edited 3 time(s) YOU CAN SEE / DOWNLOAD THIS DOCUMENT USING THE FOLLOWING LINK news.silsden.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/17_05793_SUB02-PRE-COMMENCEMENT_PLANNING_CONDITIONS-5664113.pdf |
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| victor |
I was talking to two men yesterday who were from the building firm, they said that work would be starting later this week or next week. |
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| midway |
Looks like the work is starting on Middleway. |
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| dogcatcher |
come on middy get that tuck shop opened workers need bacon butties and drinks'  '); |
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| hat |
Surprised if they’re starting from middleway. The preconditions document showed that they would be starting at the other end on hawber cote |
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| victor |
hat they have started on Hawber cote lane as well. |
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| Peter |
.. but are they wearing their waders? I have never know the fields to be as wet as they are at the moment. A stupid place to build a school and a stupid time to start the project. I guess they will be playing mud pies after Christmas.  |
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| logicale |
Dont start complaining about the builders You have not yet had the pleasure of the yummy mummies car parking yet We cant wait for the new school to open |
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| Peter |
 Top of Hawbercote Lane The Colditz Project begins - 18th December 2019 |
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| gazzer |
I saw that there was flooding in Hayle, Cornwall yesterday where water ran right through housing on a building site. This housing estate is on a hillside very much like where the new school is going in Silsden. |
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| victor |
I have just looked at the Traffic Measures which were put on the planning permission on the 11th of November. It shows all the road humps and a 20 mph zone which is from Kirkgate up Howden road to the cemetery across to Middleway up Hawber cote lane ,across to Bolton road and down to Kirkgate. I think all of the roads inside this area are 20 mph zones. |
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| Peter |
Hi Victor, what is the document number and where can it be viewed? Speed bumps are bad news, there are other way to calm traffic. Speed bumps are dangerous and are a cheap and nasty way to stop traffic speeding. I seem to remember we were supposed to be consulted about traffic calming measures and parking restrictions. |
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| victor |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Peter on the Planning site 17/05793/SUB01 11 November under revised drawing traffic measures |
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| pgp001 |
Victor Any chance of a link to where that is please, I have been looking for half an hour and cannot find it. Thanks Phil |
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| victor |
Phil go on the planning site and put In Hawber cote lane, then go to march 2019 land at Hawber cote lane, go to documents, 11 November revised drawings Traffic Measures. It will take three or four minutes to load. The planners hid it hear so no one could find it. |
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| pgp001 |
Got it Thanks |
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| Peter |
The proposed 20 MPH Zone for the new school which excludes Kirkgate.... pimples everywhere, look out for the GREEN, BLUE and PINK blobs on the roads.   MORE DETAILS news.silsden.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/17_05793_SUB01-TRAFFIC_MEASURES-5665635.pdf |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) When speed bumbs were installed on Station Road, Cross Hills, factors like cars slowing then speeding made it one of the top 12 noisest roads in the country.The council had to install a new type of road surface.Wonder if we will get our road brought up to a decent standard at last. |
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| hat |
seems like overkill & is far in excess of what was on the original plans which showed traffic calming on the direct approach roads only, not the entire area. i know requirements change over time but the current schools have no 20mph limits or speed bumps near them, on much busier roads |
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| Peter |
This plan is only half the story and cannot be assessed without the parking restrictions which may be also be planned for these roads e.g. a cushion road hump will not be in the correct place if parking is allowed on one (or both) sides of the road. Many of the junctions do not have a clear exit view and without the parking restriction information it is impossible to assess the merits/failures of this plan. All speed humps will be a hazard when there is ice or snow. Many of the humps are on hills - was this planning done with a desktop study? Time to get out of the office and look at the reality on the ground Mr Traffic Management Man and talk to residents! This is a proposal but will we (the public), who will have to live with the final plan, be able to put our views forward. WILL THERE BE A PUBLIC CONSULTATION? |
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| Corky Yorky |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteThe proposed 20 MPH Zone for the new school which excludes Kirkgate.... pimples everywhere, look out for the GREEN, BLUE and PINK blobs on the roads. Completely and utterly ridiculous Proposal. I know of no other scheme to a school, that blatantly serves to make it very awkward for school drop off and by adding more time to parents schedules. Furthermore It would appear that it also serves to destroy the vehicular uses of a whole community on the east side of Silsden, when currently there has been no need or requirement for any traffic calming measures. This proposal goes far beyond the norm and is unacceptable. What should be done is to evaluate how the roads cope, when the school is active, before any measures are required or implemented. Why spend rate payers money unnecessarily? Absolutely barmy: I feel very sorry for all those folk that would be affected by this proposal if this gets the green light. What would happen if a delivery requires to be made or work is been done by trades folk at one of the houses on Middleway? Nobody should be affected in this way. If the school had been sited correctly, very few folk would be affected, as it stands, most of Silsden is going to be affected due to siting the school in the wrong place. The construction of the school should stop with immediate affect. |
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| Corky Yorky |
quoteDont start complaining about the builders You have not yet had the pleasure of the yummy mummies car parking yet We cant wait for the new school to open SEXIST COMMENT...cannot DADS be HOT TOO? |
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| Corky Yorky |
Just noticed these Reports submitted to Bradford, regarding the school. There is a lot to be concerned about. 1. Landscape Architects Report On Planning Application [17_05793_SUB01-CONSULTEE__LANDSCAPE_DESIGN_AND_CONSERVATION-5427475] Date: 12/03/2019 "I am not convinced that good practice has been followed in the layout of this site,..” "In my opinion this proposal is weak in supporting walking and cycling options. The site-encircling vehicular drop off loop severs the school grounds from the open countryside to the east. If the land to the east is developed in the future then it will be crucial to incorporate new improved through access to the school. There are many other comments by Simon Alderson which are worth looking at. Ironically nearly 500 words of this report have been omitted (taken out) so there must have been many more points which needed addressing, which would appear that Bradford don’t want the public to know about. 2. Dept Of Health and Wellbeing (Environmental Health) [17_05793_SUB01-CONSULTEE__ENVIRONMENTAL_HEALTH_LAND_CONTAMINATION-5554651] Date: 18/07/2019 The requirement for a Phase 1 Desk Study and Preliminary Risk Assessment Report needs to be submitted (Prior to Development) In addition the current submitted report by Rogers Geotechnical Services (Nov 2017) does not include a ground gas risk assessment: So this also needs to be done prior to construction! 3. Trees Team Report [17_05793_SUB01-CONSULTEE__TREES_TEAM-5455992] Date: 18/04/2019 Tree protection plan is not to be scaled from (which is not acceptable) and has not considered the engineering proposed/approved. I have concerns that there would serve little practical purpose due to likely low chance of compliance. The retaining features to east side of T16-T20 seems to have resulted in extra car parking spaces etc but the engineering in itself is within construction exclusion zones and poorly relates to trees, with root loss/damage possibly leading to the trees ultimate loss. Given the excavations now proposed at close quarters to T16-T20 the various engineering ducting, lighting columns etc) on the other side is now not acceptable. The proposed damage is non-compliant with BS5837 and tree protection details supplied are sub-standard. |
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| Corky Yorky |
I have taken another look at the plan of the school that is now been proposed. It has surprisingly changed quite significantly from the one that was accepted by Planning. At first glance you might not notice the differences and I wonder if the earlier plans were a blatantly a deceptive move? For example, the original proposed plan showed that there was to be a retaining wall along the south boundary of the playing area, to accommodate the change in level (by the cutting to the slope to fit the school building). There was also an access slope proposed alongside it. Bradford have now taken all of that out, and decided to put the school hard surface playing area on a slope. What does that mean…well firstly it means that any children playing games (especially ball games) will be playing on a slope and not a level surface to enjoy (balls will roll down hill!). Our kids will have no level playing area. This will save them lots of money on drainage and retaining wall and fencing structures etcetera! Bradford are quids in. They put forward a proposal, that was accepted by Planning, but have now taken out a lot of landscaping, resulting, I would say in a very inferior scheme. The landscaping around schools should always be as important as the school building itself, after all, children will be spending a lot of time out there. They have an opportunity to make the school grounds first class..but are instead choosing not to see sense and invest in our children’s future. I notice that on the current plan they have also re shaped a running area around the football pitch: The access to and from the pitch, due to the 1 in 5 slopes make it crazy! Children always choose the shortest route and the steep slopes will be a pain to deal with by the school, not to mention maintenance of them!! The grounds are integral to the school and should not be compromised like they may do in housing schemes or other residual green spaces around developments. I am very angry about this. |
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| victor |
Peter if you look closely you will find that you can not comment on the proposal, the plans were passed and then this has been added. |
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| skippy |
Victor maybe we should ask the ward councillors to ask why this has been added after all comments ,objections have been assessed and planning approved surely this is illegal,I never come across this in my 20 odd years on the council,it stinks. Back handers anyone |
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| victor |
Yes Skippy it is not right, all the way through the planning process many of us were asking WHY NO HIGHWAYS INFORMATION. Only because I was looking for something else on the planning site and I came upon this addition to the planning approval otherwise we would all be in the dark about it. It might come up at the council meeting tonight, the addition was made in November and I would like to know if any councillors were aware of it. |
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| old_miner |
Never had a problem with sloping playground at primary school or sloping playing field at secondary school. |
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| Corky Yorky |
quoteNever had a problem with sloping playground at primary school or sloping playing field at secondary school. Maybe you haven't...but then you probably haven't seen the kids injuring themselves on the slope at the top of the current Aireview site; this happens on a regular basis, when wet or when icy. They have the opportunity to create a super facility but Bradford MDC are choosing to cut the works, save money. Bradford should be creating the best for our children not leaving us with the worst! |
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| gazzer |
School playing guidence https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiezcb2vPfmAhWIh1wKHVnwDJgQFjAAegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportengland.org%2Fmedia%2F12940%2Ffinal-playing-fields-policy-and-guidance-document.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2zOpTu9pIq2qmocw9yQWgF |
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| Corky Yorky |
quoteSchool playing guidence https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiezcb2vPfmAhWIh1wKHVnwDJgQFjAAegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportengland.org%2Fmedia%2F12940%2Ffinal-playing-fields-policy-and-guidance-document.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2zOpTu9pIq2qmocw9yQWgF It's no good forwarding this to us..it's Bradford MDC you need to send it to: According to their own Landscape Architects words.. much of their work isn't compliant! |
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| gazzer |
The latest study out last week looks at the dangers caused by speed bumps. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/air-pollution-from-brake-dust-may-have-same-harmful-effects-on-immune-cells-as-diesel-exhaust |
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