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Topic : Residents of St Johns Street and the barrier |
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| Peter |
If you are a resident of St Johns Street you must have been having a few sleepless nights over the last few days wondering if and when the beck was likely to come in your front door.  At the STC meeting last Thursday (after much chasing for an amswer) the clerk read out an unsigned email sent from the account of Val Slater in which it was stated the flood barrier would be removed because of the lack of planning permission. If you supported the flood barrier I would suggest you write to Val Slater and put your point of view to her. https://www.bradford.gov.uk/asp/councillors/details.asp?id=238 democracy.bradford.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=156 |
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| dogcatcher |
bring on the cheaper sand bags and they can be stored in the recesses in the walling there  |
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| Peter |
All right for you to say but you don't live on St Johns Street DO YOU? |
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| dogcatcher |
NO I DONT,but bags are better than nothing and they only have to shout and i will be first down there to help ,but i think there are plenty of strong ums to put a dozen sand bags down that live down there, or better still leave them in place until next spring |
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| gazzer |
Bags would be a cheap alternative but someone would have to take control.They have, even nylon ones, a short lifespan |
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| Peter |
This is not really about sandbags and cheap alternatives. There is a barrer which is all but finished (and would have been by now if it hadn't been stopped - the money was there to finish it). It could have now been finished and hidden behind a wall with planting available for the summer months. It's all about Bradford not wanting to own the land and having to admit they have to maintain the wall with trees growing out of them. The wall needs repairing, water goes through it, this would have been repaired as part of the barrer installation. I'm glad I don't live on St Johns Street. |
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| gazzer |
My point about sandbags is just to say its not straight forward. |
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| jonno |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Why don't the town council make a retrospective planning application? If there was money and volunteer labour available to complete the works and leave us with something attractive and useful and in keeping with the conservation area why would Bradford refuse permission? EDIT: Also, can we see the wording of the email? Will STC publish it at all? |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteWhy don't the town council make a retrospective planning application? If there was money and volunteer labour available to complete the works and leave us with something attractive and useful and in keeping with the conservation area why would Bradford refuse permission? EDIT: Also, can we see the wording of the email? Will STC publish it at all? Its on Bradford Council land so why would they want planning permission in case they gain ownership.Their policy in Silsden is to get rid of as much of its assets as possible as fast as possible. |
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| hillbilly |
quote quoteWhy don't the town council make a retrospective planning application? If there was money and volunteer labour available to complete the works and leave us with something attractive and useful and in keeping with the conservation area why would Bradford refuse permission? EDIT: Also, can we see the wording of the email? Will STC publish it at all? to get rid of as much of its assets as possible as fast as possible. They sound a bit like my ex wife   |
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| blob |
If I lived on St John's Street I would be tempted to work out if you can sue Bradford Council for this decision if you do get flooded. As they have decided they own the land where the unfinished gate is it would be interesting if they will accept liability for this in the future. |
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| gazzer |
quoteIf I lived on St John's Street I would be tempted to work out if you can sue Bradford Council for this decision if you do get flooded. As they have decided they own the land where the unfinished gate is it would be interesting if they will accept liability for this in the future. I think they do not want to admit owning the land but they do because their road borders the beck |
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| Bee2771 |
The problem here is what if's and but's, "if it floods again" & "But it might flood one day" Yes there was a flood many moons ago, and it may happen again but with the last dumping of rain over the last couple of weeks i would say that a flood would be unlikely and certainly not likely enough for a flood defence System to this scale. An alternative method could have been thought of I am sure. All I see is people like you Peter who are HOPING for a flood, so you can finally get some justification for the pile of crap that was built and desecrated a natural beauty spot in the centre of this town. |
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| gazzer |
quote All I see is people like you Peter who are HOPING for a flood, so you can finally get some justification for the pile of crap that was built and desecrated a natural beauty spot in the centre of this town. In Cumbria after floods that were described as once in a hundred years they built defences to prevent that, only to be hit with this once in 250 year event. We are where we are. Bradford Council gave the go ahead when they gave the money.They now want to spend money they dont really have to remove it. Best option is to get it finished and landscaped ASAP and to help the people of St John Street Bradford Council need to spend time,effort and money to stop further flooding from water coming off the park and down Howden Road. Having it removed then hoping it might no flood is crazy |
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| HurricaneHector |
Why should anybody take any notice of an unsigned e-mail? |
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| pumbajunior |
bradford gave the go ahead and the money there were hold ups for many reasons (environment agency/bradford council etc)plus it was only a handfull of people helping out on this if there hadnt been the hold ups this would have been finished years ago |
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| Mickyfinn |
I think some of the pro-floodgate lobby should go take a look at where the floodwater in St.John's Street is presently coming from. It is coming down Mitchell Lane from the park & yet again the storm drain is blocked at the bottom of Mitchell Lane. Fortunately the roadside gullies are at present coping with the flow of water running down the street. And yes, before you ask, Bradford Council have been repeatedly told about this blocked drain over the past fortnight or so, they promised to come out but to date they have not. What can be seen with regard to a floodgate at the ford is that it is preferable to allow any run-off of floodwater to go down the street & allow the gullies to deal with it. In my opinion if you stop this run-off from the beck, floodwater will rise to a higher level & potentially cause flooding elsewhere. I, personally, would be more concerned about the retaining wall at the rear of my property being breached when this floodgate is closed. I would also suggest that the retaining wall below the ford be repointed, it leaks like a sieve in extreme flooding events. |
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| ginjo |
a flood alert has been issued for silsden beck, environment agency monitoring, be prepared. Road to Keighley is closed from roundabout before cliffe castle all the way to east parade due to flooding |
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| terrier52 |
It's like a river coming Down past the coop ! |
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| wildlifeman |
Just got home from Skipton, main road is getting close to impassable. Took the top road from Bradley and that is OK with care. |
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| Candy |
www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/14141901.Floods_close_Keighley_road__hit_train_services_and_threaten_Silsden_homes/ Gulp! |
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| robin |
wqs on 2:50 pm bus fro keighley, diverted to bypas, |
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| Peter |
PICTURES news.silsden.net/pictures/silsden-beck-flood-12-dec-2015 |
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| gazzer |
quoteThe problem here is what if's and but's, "if it floods again" & "But it might flood one day" Yes there was a flood many moons ago, and it may happen again but with the last dumping of rain over the last couple of weeks i would say that a flood would be unlikely and certainly not likely enough for a flood defence System to this scale. An alternative method could have been thought of I am sure. All I see is people like you Peter who are HOPING for a flood, so you can finally get some justification for the pile of crap that was built and desecrated a natural beauty spot in the centre of this town. Worst post ever? Lets be constructive now.Using St John St as overspill can not happen.Imagine how dangerous it would be if overspill water turned to ice. Bradford Council have a legal duty to prevent flooding in and around St John St wherever the water comes from.Park,beck or Howden Road. I would like the Town Council to hold an urgent public meeting with Bradford Council Councillors, Bradford Council officers from relevent departments and the Environment Agency as soon as possible to thrash out a way forward. There should be no more adding to top water drains from new houses, with or without holding tanks until the problem is sorted.It needs to be non political so needs sorting a meeting planned before opotunist politicians try to take over because that gets nowhere. Needs sorting whilst its fresh in peoples minds and money may be available. |
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| ginjo |
hopefully councils everywhere will wake up and take note and stop allowing so many developments, or if they are allowed must be built so that there is still natural drainage ie no more tarmac drives, gravel or grass with that mesh over, everyone collecting rainwater in butts etc, small measures but they do add up.I sincerely hope that permission will not be given for the belton road housing, any water that would be in that field will have to go somewhere else,Aldi should not have been built, that was another green field gone that would have absorbed some water.There has just been the meeting on climate change in paris so a good time for government to act |
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| Mickyfinn |
Now that we have quite an accumulation of rubble in the Stakes I wonder about the practicalities of gaining access to the site with a digger & trailer as done in previous years, no access available on the St.John's Street side due to the floodgate structure & I guess some access problems from the Kirkgate side. Speaking to one of our more elderly residents it was pointed out to me that the Stakes was narrowed many years ago by infill on the Kirkgate side where the Weeping Willows are, & the rather naff projections on the St.John's Street side by the ford, plus the planter below the post office. If these were removed there would be greater capacity to cope with floodwater. I must also point out that fast flowing run-off floodwater does not generally freeze. Also, having spoken to other residents of St.John's Street they do not, usually, flood from the roadside but get get floodwater ingress from the beck at the rear into their cellars. We also have a serious problem with overflowing sewage from inspection chambers at the rear of some properties which, we are informed, cannot be resolved because the piping into the main sewer is too small & thus causes sewage etc. to backfill. |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) quoteI must also point out that fast flowing run-off floodwater does not generally freeze. Not generally but at some point before receeding its slow moving. I have seen the beck frozen over before today Looking at these photos perhaps the bed of the beck needs clearing lower down where vegetation has taken over compared to the older photos. I wonder if when the houses were built if the cellers were just that and not habitable rooms?. Claim against surveyor for not spotting that at purchase time? johngliddle.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-max=2014-10-11T08:34:00-07:00&max-results=7&start=38&by-date=false |
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| gazzer |
quote. And yes, before you ask, Bradford Council have been repeatedly told about this blocked drain over the past fortnight or so, they promised to come out but to date they have not. What is it with Bradford Council and their inability to deal with things around here. Earlier this year I contacted them about something but because ou ward is "Craven" they did nothing then eventually suggested I contact Craven District Council!! Makes you wonder if they know we are in Bradford. About 5 weeks ago I was sat at Steeton traffic lights and noticed a street sign was leaning over(look straight on when approaching fron Silsden).There was a youngster climbing on it and a group of children underneath it. If it came down on someone it would slice their head in two. So I parked up and rang the council who promised to get someone out the same day. Its still there now. Its like they dont care |
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| gazzer |
Bradford Council have a duty to investigate the cause of local flooding incidents and publish their findings. I have e-mailed requesting a copy of their report into flooding on 08/08/2014 around Howden Road/St John Street. I doubt such a report will exist, but it might make them take the issue seriously if they have failed in their duties. Lead local flood authorities (LLFAs) LLFAs are county councils and unitary authorities. Under the FWMA, LLFAs are required to: prepare and maintain a strategy for local flood risk management in their areas, coordinating views and activity with other local bodies and communities through public consultation and scrutiny, and delivery planning. maintain a register of assets – these are physical features that have a significant effect on flooding in their area investigate significant local flooding incidents and publish the results of such investigations establish approval bodies for design, building and operation of Sustainable Drainage Systems (SuDS) issue consents for altering, removing or replacing certain structures or features on ordinary watercourses play a lead role in emergency planning and recovery after a flood event. |
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| HurricaneHector |
If you go and have a look you will see that the barrier is not obstructing anything! The access to the water is just the same has it has always been. |
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| gazzer |
A report by Bradford Council in 2005 said there had been flooding in Silsden in 1970,1994,1995,1998,1999 and 2000 along with historical flooding along Kirkgate,St John Street and Mitchell Lane. It noted in Silsden critical structures susceptible to blockage resulting in localised flooding. So what have they done in those 10 years? |
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| blob |
quoteA report by Bradford Council in 2005 said there had been flooding in Silsden in 1970,1994,1995,1998,1999 and 2000 along with historical flooding along Kirkgate,St John Street and Mitchell Lane. It noted in Silsden critical structures susceptible to blockage resulting in localised flooding. So what have they done in those 10 years? Got a link to the report? |
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| Peter |
I took some more pictures today, 3 days after "The Flood". The pictures are taken from the same vantage points and show the water level change and damage caused. Look for the large log completely across the beck, on the top side of the post office bridge, and the drain at the bottom of Mitchell Lane / St Johns Street. The drain is completely blocked and needs digging out - urgently. From the flood pictures it can be seen the water is running from top to bottom and completely across Mitchell Lane so perhaps work is also required at the top of the lane to stop water from running off the park? AFTER THE FLOOD PICTURES news.silsden.net/pictures/after-the-flood-15-dec-2015 |
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| midway |
Peter is it just me but the most recent photos freeze when i try to show a second view. |
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| gazzer |
quote quoteA report by Bradford Council in 2005 said there had been flooding in Silsden in 1970,1994,1995,1998,1999 and 2000 along with historical flooding along Kirkgate,St John Street and Mitchell Lane. It noted in Silsden critical structures susceptible to blockage resulting in localised flooding. So what have they done in those 10 years? Got a link to the report? 2005 report www.bradford.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/AB1C2216-0062-49FD-BF3B-3A525B9E606E/0/WaterManagementFinalReview.pdf |
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| gazzer |
2014 report https://www.bradford.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/44E7F4AD-AD3E-439A-B977-2928FF22A1C1/0/2008s3607Level1reportDRAFTFINAL_Feb2014_.pdf |
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