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Topic : Are we having fun yet ???????? |
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| Peter |
This has got to stop. picture taken of the skate park this morning: .jpg) Please click the link below to see more pictures of the broken glass, litter and vandalism of the skate park (remember this is where children play, and an area where dogs without shoes walk): www.silsden.net/news/2007_04_22/ |
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| coby1 |
Peter you do not have to go into the park walk down south veiw any time |
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| ted |
what are our 'councillors' going to do about this ongoing problem.....nothing. no police presence and no action from the council just encourages these thugs to destroy our town. such a shame |
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| alan |
Not sure whether you mean the town or district councillors "ted". If you mean town councillors I can assure you that they've been banging the table hard about police presence and the continued nuisance crime hard for years, and will continue to do so until the problems are resolved! You're more than welcome to come and put your point across at any town council meeting. I can assure you that they are as disgusted with this type of behaviour as everybody else. I would also suggest that anyone with any information of how any youngsters under 18 are obtaining alchohol they report it to a PCSO/policeman (if they can find one) or one of the town councillors, or maybe even a district councillor - addresses on this website. |
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| gazzer |
This might sound daft.What we need is 2 policemen on duty every Friday & Saturday night who work Silsden as a "beat".They would get to know who the youngsters are,what they do and where they do it. If we get a fair amount of trouble we get a brief influx of officers(in a van).Keeps the trouble in check for a while then the police are moved elsewhere. I once lived in a place that had an actual police station with officers based there who went out on patrol ON FOOT.There were no drunken teenagers to be seen.What a nice queit town it was with just the odd upsets.You know the place.Called Silsden but it was in the 1970's |
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| alan |
Strange that "gazzer" the town council has been saying that for years! Very strongly! But do the police listen to us? No prizes for getting that answer right! Police on the beat is the only answer! They'll comne round to our way of thinking one day, just like the Met is. Is taking a while for it to sink in to the heads in Wakefield though! |
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| grandad |
Alan/Gazzer why blame the Police? They wouldn’t even have to be here if the parents of these morons gave them what they deserve, a good dose of discipline. The best thing anyone can do is ring 0845 6060606 and report it each and every time you see them gathering with the drink, I know sometimes they take ages to answer it, but that is because they are dealing with 999 calls as a top priority, and even when you do get through; there may not be any bobbies to send, but it will be logged, and it is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. Even if they are over 18, if they are with kids under 18 the booze will be poured away. Only when the police get the most complaints from Silsden will they deploy the troops here. |
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| alan |
Wouldn't it be lovely if their parents were really interested! Utopia is a long time coming! |
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| Fred |
If the police can pour the drink found on underage drinkers down the drain then they can also take their names. All such incidents should be reported to parents anyway. Any underage drinker found with alcohol in a public place should be made to do community service. A fitting punishment would be to clean up the mess they and their peers have made. The park always has litter so there would always be a job to do. I'm sure peer pressure would soon put a stop to all this mindless, alcohol induced, vandalism we see in the park. Looking at the pictures perhaps the police were indirectly responsible for the burning of the drain in the skate park. Perhaps alcohol was poured down the drain and then set alight? The council do a magnificent job cleaning up, after the park is trashed by the mindless youth, but we are paying for it through our council tax. |
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| alan |
They should also be leading the prosecution of those selling them the drink! |
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| ted |
"alan" it seems that the town council have no voice - if they've been banging on about the need for police presence for years and getting nowhere then what is the point in having a town council? or is it a case of that you are not presenting the case for bobbies properly? i agree with peter - community service cleaning up their own mess would be a great punishment. sadly i cant see it happening. it seems some parents dont care what their children are getting up to - one lad then other week was driven home by the police for punching the bus shelter plastic - he returned 10 mins later. |
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| alan |
"ted" as they say 'there's none so deaf as those that don't listen'! Come and put the case to the town council and the police sometimes, and you'll see what we're up against! |
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| ted |
"alan" so the police dont listen - can you explain why the town council exists and the role it actually has to play within the community. |
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| alan |
"ted" the police don't listen to Bradford Met either! So should they not exist? |
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| ted |
"alan" is that a failure to answer the question? I'll ask again.....why does the town council exist? |
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| alan |
Sorry "ted" been very busy these past couple of days, new job, sorting kids, and other things  Town and parish councils are far too complex to describe in a couple of sentences on here. As I am sure you really appreciate . It's taken me eight years and I still don't understand everything.So I would suggest a good start for you would be this site - www.dorset-aptc.gov.uk/daptc2.htm I would also suggest that you and anyone else is always welcome at any town council meeting to see what goes on, and experience the frustration sometimes. If you want you can have the opportunity of a public adjournment to say your piece, ask advice, ask for help, or even have a go at the town council! Personally I much prefer face to face to forums I trust now that your interest has been aroused you'll be there soon, the next meeting is May 10th at 7.30pm. |
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| ted |
i'll be there alan. are they still held in the town hall? do we have any street cleaners these days? also - are the community support team still patrolling? |
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| alan |
Yes, yes, and yes. |
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| Peter |
Back to the subject of the thread..... What powers do the: 1) police 2) council 3) public ...have to stop/prevent the sale of alcohol to underage youth and how can we stop the vandalism which results when they drink in a public place (the park)? |
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| alan |
The public can phone trading standards with reasonable evidence that a retailer is selling to minors and trading standards will do a test purchase. If the public do not want to do that I am sure all the town councillors and district councillors would be more than willing to pass on the information on their behalf. As regards police I am sure others on this website are better qualified to answer that than I am. |
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| ted |
its almost impossible prevent it from happening. how can you tell if someone is buying alcohol for their own use or to pass on to minors? unless you see it happening in broad daylight there's little hope of catching the culprits. I have seen parents purchasing crates for their kids recently. we know the main areas these kids congregate at - park, memorial, firestation, schoolyards. whats to stop the CSO's from hanging around these places on a friday & saturday night? |
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| alliecoward |
I would totally agree with alan and urge more members of the public to come forward and join the council meeting on the 10th may. Only one member of the public was there last time to air their views on antisocial behaviour and vandalism, and this will now be an agenda item on that date, so the more there the better chance we all have of putting an end to this.One idea is to apply dispersal orders to the memorial ground and/or start collating evidence of this behaviour and ask for asbo's. In this way we can all get involved by keeping a log of anything you see.I would stress the more at the meeting the bigger the voice, remember the press are there as well!! |
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| Peter |
... and will the police be at the meeting, because without their input it will be a waste of time! |
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| alan |
Perhaps concerned citizens should consider forming a pressure group or a police action group in conjunction with the town council? The more voices the better! |
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| ted |
we shouldnt have to form new groups - the council should have the power as it is - otherwise why the hell are we voting in may? |
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| alan |
"ted" by the council do you mean the town council, or the district council? The police don't answer to the councils, to the best of my knowledge, but treat them as "partners". Read this website, you'll find it interesting www.westyorkshire.police.uk/ Sometimes the public has to stand up and be counted to get what they want, remember Margaret Thatcher and the Poll Tax! |
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| alliecoward |
ANY member of the public has the right to approach their local council and ask that they instigate proceedings, working alongside the police and local authorities for asbo's or a dispersal order(sections 30-36 of an asbo) The powers enable a senior police officer to designate an area where there is persistant anti-social behaviour, and/or groups causing intimidation.The local authority must agree to this designation, and if agreed must be published in local newspapers, and on local notices. Breaching this order will result in prosecution. Now if this sounds like something you'd all be intersted in.....COME TO THE MEETING! Even if the police are'nt there, you will have started the ball rolling and the council have to act.Don't forget your ward councillor/s will be there as well AND THE PRESS!!! hold them to there words. |
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| Fred |
Perhaps you could explain why an ASBO has to be served first when someone underage is caught drinking outside in a public area (not in a pub). Shouldn't there be something like a warning and then next time a mandatory community service. An ASBO is a badge of honour, community service is a fitting punishment which can be done and forgotten about and something which should not carry a criminal record. |
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| grandad |
Some years ago the Town Council put forward to Bradford the Suggestion that the Memorial Gardens should be made an alcohol free zone. The reply they got was, “It is to small a area for an order to be made.” Bradford suggested the area was made bigger to include the park, and the churchyard, this was done, then Bradford came back with the argument that the level of crime in those areas was insufficient to warrant an order. The only way you will get either an order or more police presence is if you make sure every time you see anything of this nature taking place you ring the Police and ask for someone to attend, even if there isn’t anyone available to send it will be logged, so when they look at where the most complaints come from, Silsden will be up at the top. And please don’t blame the local PCSO’s for being unable to spend all their time in Silsden, they have to cover the whole of the Craven Ward, on foot or using the busses. Just in case you don’t know this includes. Eastburn, Steeton, Silsden and Addingham, there is only two of them, they work alone; on alternate shifts. The Police in Keighley are recruiting more PCSO’s so if you think you can do any better why not apply. |
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| alliecoward |
instead of saying what should or should'nt be done why don't you come to the meeting fred and use the powers that are available to us to stop this behaviour from happening.After all actions speak louder than words! |
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| hermione fraggle |
It's a real shame. I grew up skateboarding and bmx-ing, and now I am little older I would love to sakte again but everytime I have been down there I am confronted by broken glass and rubbish, or often youths using it is a place to drink. Where I lived with my Mother for a while in Scunthorpe I ran a local council funded skate park where it was fenced off and a bunch of volunteers (mostly older skaters and parents of the kids who came down) opened the place up and supervised it. It worked out well and ade it much safer to use). If I thought it might be useful here in Silsden but I doubt I could the money, the permission or the man power to sort it out |
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| alan |
I would suggest "hermione" that you speak to the Youth Council, I'm sure that they'd welcome and useful input or help. |
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