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Topic : Toilets in Silsden |
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| Peter |
Petition to reopen Silsden public toilets attracts more than 1,000 signatures MORE THAN 1,000 people are demanding that the public toilets in Silsden are reopened. Townswoman Lily Pitt has gathered 1,100 signatures on a petition objecting to last month’s closure of the block in Briggate. She wants either Bradford or Silsden council to take on responsibility for the toilets despite ongoing public spending cuts. More information www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/12963683.Petition_to_reopen_Silsden_public_toilets_attracts_more_than_1_000_signatures/?ref=ebln District and town councillor Adrian Naylor said: “Silsden Town Council investigated the possibility of keeping them open, but it rapidly became clear that there would be significant overheads." Cllr Naylor said the council would have to pay Bradford more than £1,000 a year business rates for toilets, as well as funding repairs to the roof, and work to bring windows and doors to standard. Silsden mayor Chris Atkinson estimated the cost of repairs might have topped £30,000, and the running costs included the battery of health checks every week. He added: “We added up the cost to £4,000 a year before we started paying for a cleaner. We said we weren’t going to burden the ratepayer. “There’s a perfectly good town hall nearby. Why don’t Bradford Council let people use those toilets?” |
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| old_miner |
As a rate payer of Silsden I am more than happy for the town council to pay the going rate for decent public toilets in Silsden. I am more than happy to pay that cost on my rates. Otherwise what is the point of the local council? I have signed the petition. |
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| gazzer |
quoteAs a rate payer of Silsden I am more than happy for the town council to pay the going rate for decent public toilets in Silsden. I am more than happy to pay that cost on my rates. Otherwise what is the point of the local council? I have signed the petition. Whats the point of Bradford Council?. Doesnt matter if they fund it or the Town Council we still pay so if we want them open they should carry on paying rather than offloading. |
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| old_miner |
To many people seem to think that government monies come out of thin air. In fact all government money comes from taxes whether it is local, income, sales etc. One useless aspect of politicians of all political persuasions is that they never actually explain this simple fact. Bradford has a finite sum for the budget. Public Convenience are not a legal requirement so have been cut everywhere. We have a local town council which is meant to address local concerns. This is a local concern and they have not addressed it. Stating that they are not interested because it will cost money is ridiculous. If the town council want to be taken seriously then they need to address serious issues. This is a serious issue and they seemed to have backed off. A lot of people consider the town council a waste of space. Similarly for our local Bradford councillors. Inaction on this issue suggests that point of view might be right. |
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| dexter |
In the current year, I am paying £17.17 for the whole year in local rates to cover STC spending. To have proper local facilities would involve local people paying a small extra amount. Local toilets send a message to visitors (and locals) that the town cares enough to provide them with a clean and decent place to go. I'm happy to pay more because it will still be a small amount, and would create a good impression. |
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| skippy |
old miner get off your arse and come down and join the council and you do something, not just slag others off who are trying, as ive already said the town hall cost in excess of 600,000 let the people usethe new and refurbed town hall, oh and toilets.no one is going to spend upwards of 70,000 to upgrade the old toilets,yes upwards of 70,000 that is bfds price to do up to an acceptable standard, if you don't believe me write to dave green the leader of bfd and ask him. rant over. |
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| old_miner |
I have done my share of community altruism, and taken the flak without whinging about it. Town hall is not open 24/7 which is when a decent WC needs to be available. Suggested costs would only mean doubling Silsden element of the rates and would cover capital and revenue costs. Seems to me no one has bothered to look at this in any detail. As for the town council there are a list of names only one of whom seems to be prepared to stick his head up, even if the eggs that then arrive are not appreciated. How about getting the rest of the council involved. I assume they volunteered for the benefit of Silsden. Slagging off anyone who complains does not invoke much faith in the council, it is also politically naive. Also blaming Bradford for everything seems too easy. A bit of pro-action rather than reaction. |
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| gazzer |
quoteI have done my share of community altruism, and taken the flak without whinging about it. Town hall is not open 24/7 which is when a decent WC needs to be available. Suggested costs would only mean doubling Silsden element of the rates and would cover capital and revenue costs. Seems to me no one has bothered to look at this in any detail. As for the town council there are a list of names only one of whom seems to be prepared to stick his head up, even if the eggs that then arrive are not appreciated. How about getting the rest of the council involved. I assume they volunteered for the benefit of Silsden. Slagging off anyone who complains does not invoke much faith in the council, it is also politically naive. Also blaming Bradford for everything seems too easy. A bit of pro-action rather than reaction. Last time I used a public WC in Silsden 24/7 was the gents toilet on the canal bridge!!! |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Bradford Council will still keep some toilets open, with some even attended. Why is it always Silsden where the cuts happen? www.bradford.gov.uk/bmdc/transport_and_infrastructure/street_care_and_cleaning/public_conveniences Quick show of hands; Who would pay extra to keep the toilets? How much would you be prepared to pay? |
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| Peter |
At the April council meeting the agenda item of the toilets was carefully considered. The council unanimously rejected the proposal of taking over the toilets because it would have been a money pit. I don't remember any member of the public jumping up and down about the closure then or at the meeting last night. I don't know of any toilets that are open 24/7 (around here) and where you when the toilets in the park were closed? Perhaps rather than a petition (that would be a nice thing to have as long as I don't have to do anything but sign a piece of paper), it would be better to do a survey of toilet facilities in Silsden.... and I wonder how many people ACTUALLY used the public toilet (and how frequently) when they were open. |
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| gazzer |
quotejoin the council and you do something, not just slag others off who are trying, People might not want to join the council because of the constant knocking. The Town Council are now getting stick for not spending money on a project having recently recieved stick for spending money on another project even though the fact is they didnt actually spend money on that project!!!!Mind boggling! |
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| adeythom |
quoteBradford Council will still keep some toilets open, with some even attended. Why is it always Silsden where the cuts happen? www.bradford.gov.uk/bmdc/transport_and_infrastructure/street_care_and_cleaning/public_conveniences I don't know how old that list is, but the toilets in Shipley are definitely closed (they've made an agreement with the local Wetherspoons to use their toilets). Not sure about the Ilkley car park either. They were closed last time I went by, but that was a while ago. Quick show of hands; Who would pay extra to keep the toilets? How much would you be prepared to pay? |
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| adeythom |
quoteAt the April council meeting the agenda item of the toilets was carefully considered. The council unanimously rejected the proposal of taking over the toilets because it would have been a money pit. I don't remember any member of the public jumping up and down about the closure then or at the meeting last night. I don't know of any toilets that are open 24/7 (around here) and where you when the toilets in the park were closed? Perhaps rather than a petition (that would be a nice thing to have as long as I don't have to do anything but sign a piece of paper), it would be better to do a survey of toilet facilities in Silsden.... and I wonder how many people ACTUALLY used the public toilet (and how frequently) when they were open. T And what they used them for... |
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| dexter |
Why doesn't STC sponsor private premises, eg pubs, restaurants, cafes etc to provide a Community Toilet facility, to allow visitors to use their toilets without having to buy something? This would be much cheaper, say give each premises £1000 per annum, and bring some community spirit to a problem which faces a lot of people either visiting the town, or residents "caught short". There could be a sign for this, and it could bring extra custom to the cafes etc. It would make Silsden a friendly town to visit. |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
My post appears to have disappeared. Is the petition online? If so, can someone post a link please? If it is a hard copy, where do I find it? Thank you. |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
I see the keyboard warriors are at it again - "5:16pm Thu 21 May 15 Jam_On_It says… So Skippy makes a dig at Mr Mallinson, you wouldn't expect anything else, what an embarrassment to the town he is, go fishing Skippy and keep your trap shut", "9:38pm Thu 21 May 15 YorkyBarKid says… Chris Atkinson (Aka..Skippy) is talking out of his backside again! I have used the toilets in the Town Hall several times and never been turned away. He’s having a laugh (dig) simply because he won’t use the Town Hall for Council Purposes himself! Ignore him and his crazy, if not rediculous comments and ideas. How do we get rid of him as Mayor and Councillor? He and his buddies Naylor and Savage vote each other in like an old boys network. Their has got to be a stop to this. We need fresh blood in our Town". As with the flood barrier, whether you like it or loathe it, a few people involved, doing the work, yet many other voices complaining about lack of action or though.! But really p*$${s me off!!! |
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| Mickyfinn |
A Google search reveals a number of Parish/Town Councils in our region that manage public Toilets: Cowling, Cross Hills, Gargrave, Ingleton(2),Skipton(2),& Settle. Wonder if these are funded out of local precepts. Elsewhere, the Yorkshire Dales National Parks Authority manages public toilets in Buckden, Clapham, Grassington, Linton Falls, Horton-in-Ribblesdale, Kettlewell, Malham & Stainforth. Seems rather odd that a large MDC like Bradford cannot find the funds to manage a number of public toilets in its outlying districts. |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Perhaps if Bfd Council had not neglected looking after the toilets over the years the choices moving forward would have been better.Cross Hills toilets have always been looked after |
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| rosco |
"TO PEE OR NOT TO PEE" THAT IS THE QUESTION !. SILSDEN ATTRACTS WALKERS AND HIKERS AND CANAL USERS TO OUR LOVELY TOWN. I BELIEVE WE AS TOWN'S FOLK HAVE TO TAKE ON THE RESPONSABILITY TO ENSURE THEIR VISIT IS A PLEASANT AND ENJOYABLE ONE, PUBLIC TOILETS ARE A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF VILLAGE AND TOWN LIFE, IT SENDS A MESSAGE OUT TO OUR VISITORS, IT LETS PEOPLE KNOW " WE CARE " I SEE EVERY DAY WORKMAN, POSTMAN, WOMEN WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AND ELDERLY PEOPLE WANTING TO USE THE TOILETS THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF OUR TOWN FOR YEARS. I KNOW CHRIS HAS SAID USE THE TOWN HALL BUT ITS THE PARKING AND CONVENIENCE OF OUR TOILETS THAT PROVIDES THE FACILITY FOR A BASIC HUMAN NEED. COME ON SILSDENERS LETS PULL TOGETHER AND SORT THIS OUT WE DID IT ON THE TOUR DE YORKSHIRE LETS DO IT AGAIN. MUST GO NOW I AM BUSTIN ! Rosco |
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| jonno |
quoteA Google search reveals a number of Parish/Town Councils in our region that manage public Toilets: Cowling, Cross Hills, Gargrave, Ingleton(2),Skipton(2),& Settle. Wonder if these are funded out of local precepts. Elsewhere, the Yorkshire Dales National Parks Authority manages public toilets in Buckden, Clapham, Grassington, Linton Falls, Horton-in-Ribblesdale, Kettlewell, Malham & Stainforth. Seems rather odd that a large MDC like Bradford cannot find the funds to manage a number of public toilets in its outlying districts. Now then Mr Finn, thanks for joining the conversation with that information. I would like to point out that at least one of those (Gargrave) actually makes a charge. It's possible the Gargrave ones get some precept funding as well I wouldn't know, but having used the loos there I can confidently say there is a charge. So the point would be do you want to pay to spend a penny? |
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| Peter |
Ministers are being urged to exempt councils from paying business rates on public toilets, saying it is leading to the closure of facilities. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33229162 |
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| rosco |
A visitor has stopped me asking were the toilets are in town,I said to use the Town hall, we have tried their but the place is closed?. What a embarrassment we really need to get this sorted out,I directed them to a local pub but as she said she did not like to go in just to use the loo. Its very sad that we keep losing local amenities without a fight. Something should be done. |
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| dexter |
My previous suggestion was:- "Why doesn't STC sponsor private premises, eg pubs, restaurants, cafes etc to provide a Community Toilet facility, to allow visitors to use their toilets without having to buy something? This would be much cheaper, say give each premises £1000 per annum, and bring some community spirit to a problem which faces a lot of people either visiting the town, or residents "caught short". There could be a sign for this, and it could bring extra custom to the cafes etc. It would make Silsden a friendly town to visit." This is being done in other places that are trying to tackle the problem... why not even give it a chance? It keeps money in the town, and helps visitors and locals alike. We could spend £10k a year, a lot less than the scare figures being bandied about. |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) I know this is a different place, with a population far, far less than Silsden, but surely, if the toilets here can be reopened, then Silsden should be able to do the same. - m.keighleynews.co.uk/news/13352641.Bid_to_protect_Cross_Roads_Park_toilets_goes_before_councillors/ m.cravenherald.co.uk/news/13353771.Hard_work_pays_off_as_Salterforth_public_toilets_reopen/?ref=rss&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed I would like to see a breakdown of the costs for sorting the toilets out. What is happening with the Wesley Place building and the library, since we were robbed of these assets? |
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| dogcatcher |
well weve lost the police station and now the toilets so nobody has anything to go on!!!!  |
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| rosco |
DEXTER DOGCATCHER AND GAMEKEEPER SPOT ON GUYS WE NEED TO SEE THE EVIDENCE OF COST TO REPAIR OUR TOILETS. IDEA FOR YOU, WE CONTACT ONE OF THESE TV COMPANIES THAT DO UP PROPERTIES AND MAKE A SHOW ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW SOME ONE LIKE ALAN TICHMARSH BUILDING COMPANIES SUPPLYING THE MATERIALS, AND THE LOCAL TRADES MEN DONATING THEIR TIME AND SKILLS THE REST OF COMMUNITY DOING THE PAINTING AND CLEANING UP. COME OM GUYS LETS NOT GIVE UP WITHOUT A FIGHT. LETS MAKE A BIT OF HISTORY LETS REVIVE THE COMMUNITY SPIRIT AND HAVE A BIT OF FUN. ROSCO |
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| Peter |
Please don't write everything in capitals, it's equivalent TO SHOUTING. Thank you, Peter |
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| rosco |
Sorry Peter, Did not mean to shout, I understand Lliy Pitt has collected 1500 signatures to keep the toilet open, surely this is a important message to the STC, lets have a vote on this the people of Silsden want it open. This must be put to the vote I understand Lilly has been granted a audience with Brad Met We should support her and STC must re think the idea of letting it close for good, it cannot be allowed to happen 1500 locals cannot be wrong. Rosco |
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| gazzer |
In Cowling in order for planning permission a building company had to build a village hall. Perhaps something similar could be put in place to replace the toilets Bradford have let run down with something cheaper to run |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
quoteSorry Peter, Did not mean to shout, I understand Lliy Pitt has collected 1500 signatures to keep the toilet open, surely this is a important message to the STC, lets have a vote on this the people of Silsden want it open. This must be put to the vote I understand Lilly has been granted a audience with Brad Met We should support her and STC must re think the idea of letting it close for good, it cannot be allowed to happen 1500 locals cannot be wrong. Rosco Lilly Pitt has been "granted an audience with Bradford Met". Well how bloody nice of them! This is Bradford Met all over. They are here to work for the people, not the people for Bradford Met!! |
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| rosco |
Yes agreed, but she has got a hearing and fair credit to the lady she cares about the community and wants to do something positive for the town, lets give her the support she deserves, there must be a amicable solution here, lets work together to find it. Totally agree with your comments but we need to move forward with this. What about a public hearing in the Town hall. Rosco |
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| gazzer |
I see the bucket provided has gone missing!! |
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| BubbyVee |
Maybe someone's kicked it while they were waiting! |
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| gazzer |
quoteMaybe someone's kicked it while they were waiting! Maybe used it..there was toilet roll and a toilet brush with it! |
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| Candy |
Background reading... www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/parish-council-agrees-to-take-over-public-toilets-1-7334877 |
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| HurricaneHector |
I'll bet they are flushed with their success! However Pendle council are paying the council rates for them and it has already turned down a substantial offer for the site. Bradford have done nothing to help with our problem. |
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