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IMPORTANT PLEASE READ This website and forum has been living on borrowed web server time for years. At the end of this month silsden.net in it's present form will cease to exist, BUT there is a new silsden.net in the making, and a new forum, and lots of exciting new things coming to this space. Peter |
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Topic : Local Development Framework - you should look at this |
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| Peter |
How is your view of where we live? This WILL effect YOUR future. Shows maps of proposed sites www.bradford.gov.uk/bmdc/the_environment/planning_service/local_development_framework/shlaa_settlement_analysis_and_maps Core strategy www.bradford.gov.uk/bmdc/the_environment/planning_service/local_development_framework/core_strategy_introduction_dpd.htm Further engagement info www.bradford.gov.uk/bmdc/the_environment/planning_service/local_development_framework/core_strategy_preferred_options_stage |
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| muriel |
wow,2000 new houses over quite some area.As you have said Peter,this will affect everyone,traffic,sewers,schools etc,hope everyone takes the chance to have a look at the proposed sites. |
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| old_miner |
Pretty logical filling in of the 'township'. No amenities affected, no building on the playing field. Now for the real question? Do you want some where for your children, and your childrens's children to live? |
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| dexter |
old miner...you are right, time for some long term thinking, not just people thinking of today. The whole project covers many years, and the housing is badly needed, the current recession will not last forever, and people need to live somewhere, why not in a great place like Silsden? We could get improved facilities, schools, medical care, and we are less likely to lose other things when a town expands. There are also the extra jobs created by the expansion. |
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| dogcatcher |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) yes,and lets hope we get a school here for up to 16year olds as the last one planned for silsden went to expanding south craven instead, and look at the trade those kids put in to x/hills businesses, the cafes,chipshops and coop was full at lunchtime the other day i called at x/hills.  |
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| victor |
I think you need to look at the sites next to be developed,one is at Tannery corner and the other is the land at the back of Middleway.The one at the back of Middleway was ment to be for a school now its for housing so we wont be getting any school. |
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| gazzer |
The thing we need to do is get together and come up with a plan for sustainable housing including transport,enviromental,employment and other stuff that would be neede. Its no good just saying no more housing because there will be some so lets have a stab at what would be right for Silsden. |
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| gazzer |
Just how joined up is thinking at Bradford Council. They have people on the committee that oversee's the fire service then after removal of a fire engine from Silsden another council department come up with proposals for all these extra houses and associated works |
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| Peter |
Things to come ?????????????  From the T & A Councillor fears planning blueprint will 'strangle' Airedale 8:10am Wednesday 30th November 2011 Developers may concrete over huge swathes of green belt land in Airedale under proposals to build more than 10,000 homes. But Bradford Councillor David Heseltine said planners may be “killing the golden goose” by turning distinct villages with their own local economies and identities into a massive area of urban sprawl. Bradford Council is currently consulting the public on proposals for the Local Development Framework (LDF), a plan to shape the future of housing across the district. Under the proposals, Keighley will see an increase of up to 5,000 homes, Bingley 1,600, east and south Silsden 1,700 and east and west Steeton 800 new homes, all by 2028. That could involve green belt “deletions”, according to proposals, which would effectively allow developers to build on protected land if no other previously developed land is available. Coun Heseltine (Con, Bingley) said: “My major concern is over the green belt. “This means some of our wonderful countryside, the thing that makes this part of the Aire Valley special and a pleasant place to live, will disappear under concrete. “It is part of our uniqueness in the Aire Valley, having a number of towns and villages and we are just going to become just an awful sprawl.” |
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| gazzer |
The fire officer in charge of cuts said on Radio Leeds this morning he is aware of how many new houses will be built and where in West Yorkshire. So its obviously a done deal. These plans were announced after the fire cuts proposals were made yet he claims to already know what will be built where and has planned his cuts accordingley. |
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| old_miner |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) When we moved to Silsden around 15 years ago it was down to the proximity to the countryside, public transport and having the benefits of living within a large metropolitan area, ie Bradford, West Yorkshire, rather than 'rural' North Yorkshire. We also realised that Silsden would expand with a lot more housing. All our expectations, except the housing, have been, and continue to be met. As far as I can see the new housing proposals will not affect any of our expectations. People have got live somewhere and so long on as new housing is distributed fairly across the country I see no problem with the proposals for this area. |
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| gazzer |
quoteWhen we moved to Silsden around 15 years ago it was down to the proximity to the countryside, public transport and having the benefits of living within a large metropolitan area, ie Bradford, West Yorkshire, rather than 'rural' North Yorkshire. We also realised that Silsden would expand with a lot more housing. All our expectations, except the housing, have been, and continue to be met. As far as I can see the new housing proposals will not affect any of our expectations. People have got live somewhere and so long on as new housing is distributed fairly across the country I see no problem with the proposals for this area. Not sure there are any benifits of living in "Bradford" but I dont think anyone does not believe houses need to be and will be built. Its a question of balance and putting the infrastrutcure in place. |
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| Peter |
Before you vote for more houses perhaps you should read this from 2004 (when Bradford last tried to build 1500 houses here). The arguments against building here have not changed, if anything are stronger because in these "green" days it would just mean more congestion and commuting. PLEASE READ www.silsden.net/udp/silsdenUDP_RDDP_Inspectors_Report.htm AND www.bradford.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/153FC8D7-1B39-4EFC-897F-2EC9B91EE577/0/KeighleyMaster1.pdf |
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| old_miner |
I know all about the first one as just as we moved in a neighbor asked to write in about it. I did, pointing out that access to the railway station was poor and that the main road would not cope. When I read the inspectors report he agreed with me, especially about the station. If they build a nice path and cycleway to the station, complete with a bridge over the trunk road, and a road around Silsden then I will happily accept 1500 or so new dwellings. I think we have to accept the housing, but also make sure the infrastructure to go with it is also there. Any 'protests' must not be against housing, but demands for the supporting infrastructure. The 'system' finds it easy to deal with negative protests, positive demands though are a real problem. Then they have to appear negative, which of course the 'system' does not like. |
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| gazzer |
quoteI know all about the first one as just as we moved in a neighbor asked to write in about it. I did, pointing out that access to the railway station was poor and that the main road would not cope. When I read the inspectors report he agreed with me, especially about the station. If they build a nice path and cycleway to the station, complete with a bridge over the trunk road, and a road around Silsden then I will happily accept 1500 or so new dwellings. I think we have to accept the housing, but also make sure the infrastructure to go with it is also there. Any 'protests' must not be against housing, but demands for the supporting infrastructure. The 'system' finds it easy to deal with negative protests, positive demands though are a real problem. Then they have to appear negative, which of course the 'system' does not like. If they do allow you to cycle or walk to the station with all the houses not just in Silsden but surrounding area, you wont find room to get on a train!! |
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| Peter |
From the T & A Transport projects listed for new framework plan for Bradford district 8:20am Tuesday 6th December 2011 By Jo Winrow Three major new roads and five new railway stations could be needed to support housing and job growth over the next 15 years, according to a Bradford Council key planning document. The latest Local Development Framework document, which Council planners are currently drawing up to provide a blueprint for managing development and growth across the district, sets out proposals for where a target of 45,500 homes could be built across the district by 2028. In order to manage such development, the core strategy proposals identify the infrastructure which would be required. This includes: a Shipley Eastern link road to link Otley Road, Leeds Road and Valley Road; an East Bradford link road to provide better connections to the motorway from the Holme Wood area; a Silsden Eastern bypass to benefit the creation of employment land at Silsden Rural Business Park and support green belt being released for housing development. In addition, railway stations would be needed at five locations: Apperley Bridge, Beechcliffe in Keighley, Laisterdyke, Low Moor and Manningham. |
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| old_miner |
Train lengths currently are 4 car. There are proposals in hand to increase them to 6 car. On Southern Region's third rail system I have seen 14 car trains. With all the new stations and longer platforms the system will cope. As for green belt land. I always feel we should not dig up good land, only use poor land. Well, I suspect in terms of productivity per hectare the rough stuff on the top of the moors is the poorest land in these parts. |
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| ginjo |
closing date for comments 20th january, article in T&A tomorrow on the proposals for silsden |
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| hat |
just read the T&A article which summarises the proposals well but doesn't add any new info. Seems to lean heavily on much of the development being dependant on a relief road being built first. Does anyone in Silsden really want to see Hainsworth Road, Brunthwaite Bridge Lane, Swartha Lane, Hawber Lane & Fishbeck Lane turned into a bypass?? |
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| ginjo |
just read that bradford will accept comments/objections up till end of february but they urge anyone who wants to submit comments to do so asap.Does not seem to have been much response from our town council or local councillers, thought there might have been a meeting or something,bradford are supposed to be holding meetings in some of the areas affected, don't think we have had one in silsden yet! |
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| gazzer |
As with the fire consultation perhaps people just treat these things as the council going throughthe motions and it wont make a difference to the decision those in Bradford make. |
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| Peter |
quotejust read that bradford will accept comments/objections up till end of february but they urge anyone who wants to submit comments to do so asap.Does not seem to have been much response from our town council or local councillers, thought there might have been a meeting or something,bradford are supposed to be holding meetings in some of the areas affected, don't think we have had one in silsden yet! How to comment Your views and comments are welcomed and will be taken into account when producing the next stage of the Core Strategy DPD – the Submission Draft. Please note: The Council is keen to promote the submission of comments electronically and would encourage anyone with appropriate facilities to make their responses in this way. Please use a comment form to submit your comments – this can be downloaded in Microsoft Word format below: • Comment Form and Guidance Note (275kb) • Additional Comment Sheet - Part B – Your Representation (235kb) • Additional Comment Sheet - Part C – Your Comments (230kb) • Part D - Equality and Diversity Monitoring Form (230kb) How to submit your comments Please send your completed Comment Form, preferably by email to the LDF Group: ldf.consultation@bradford.gov.uk; Alternatively send them by post to the following FREEPOST address: Bradford Local Development Framework FREEPOST NEA 11445 PO Box 1068 BRADFORD BD1 1BR By Fax: 01274 433767 Comment Forms should arrive no later than 4pm on Friday 20th January 2012. This information www.bradford.gov.uk/bmdc/the_environment/planning_service/local_development_framework/core_strategy_preferred_options_stage The formwww.bradford.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/D004CCDF-9E5C-4FF0-9513-3C18D3E79861/0/CoreStrategyDPDFurtherEngagementDraftCommentForm.doc BTW Silsden Town Council have been consulted and did ask questions. The minutes of the meeting can be seen here: silsden.net/town_council/docs_11/11_meetings/STC_meeting_mins_Nov2011.pdf |
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| original |
Thanks very much indeed Peter for all your work and information. I believe I am 'thick' when I look at the map, there appears to be three colour coded area, sand, brown and green with reference numbers on what does this indicate, further detils would be appreciated. Thanks. |
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| Peter |
Original, you have lost me - where is the map you refer to? |
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| original |
Peterpicked it up On your post dated 15/11/2011 11.35.39 Green entry Shows prepared sites 4th sheet Silsden ref 1540 kb |
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| Peter |
Thank you The map with legend www.bradford.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/2AC6C2AF-3BCB-4383-9981-D3F136965383/0/Silsden.pdf If this gets implemented Silsden will never be the same. If you have a job around Belton Road you will have to take your wellies. |
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| original |
Where can one get details of exact number and type of house intended to be built on each coloured area? |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is no need for more housing in Silsden or surrounding areas. Houses are not selling. Been to Leeds this weekend, row upon row of mills and factories derelict. Halifax and Huddersfield are the same. These should be the solution to affordable housing. |
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| Peter |
quoteWhere can one get details of exact number and type of house intended to be built on each coloured area? This will give you an idea of the numbers www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/9449916.print/ |
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| original |
Thanks Peter . |
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| hat |
quoteWhere can one get details of exact number and type of house intended to be built on each coloured area? at this point this is an outline framework only, there is no detail in terms of type of housing. All of these would still need developers to submit detail plans & bear the cost of build, including infrastructure improvements such as sewerage, roads etc. |
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| gazzer |
None of this in Silsden www.cravenherald.co.uk/news/9470748.Hundreds_turn_out_to_discuss_plans_for_400_homes_in_Addingham/?ref=mr |
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| Peter |
quoteNone of this in Silsden www.cravenherald.co.uk/news/9470748.Hundreds_turn_out_to_discuss_plans_for_400_homes_in_Addingham/?ref=mr Only a plan for 1700 houses here and not the 400 (as proposed for Addingham) |
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| ginjo |
I read in the t&a llast week that silsden town council are supposed to be asking everyone in silsden how they want to see thier town developed, I think this is supposed to be linked to this development plan but the closing date for comments is 20th jan so they need to get a move on with the questionaires!! maybe skippy can throw some light on this |
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| Peter |
The questions for the Town Survey have been finalised and it will be distributed soon to every household in Silsden. The Survey was not in response to the LDF (although if we all complete it the results will be a very good indication as to what the people of Silsden would like the future of Silsden to be), but, because it has been 10 years since Silsden was asked to complete the 2001 Survey. If you would like to see the results of the 2001 Town Survey please click here silsden.net/TDS/TDS_pages/silsden_tds_frontpage.htm If you would like to find out more about the 2012 Town Survey please click here 2012survey.silsden.net |
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| Peter |
Posted from an email received from Sandy Mac Please note: The pro-forma (links to the document at the bottom of this post) is VERY biased towards Ilkley. The document raises some very good arguments which can equally applied to Silsden. Peter Dear all, I have attached a pro-forma which you can copy and paste - as much as you care to - and mail to the LDF address. It would be even better if you could personalise it with any personal or other information or argument as the more personal letters they get the better. I started looking at the numbers Bradford used and have tried to pull them to bits - as you may have guessed I have a particular animus at the cavalier and careless way Bradford uses stats, and has used in the past, - probably because before I took early retirement I was part of a team which at one time produced what was the government's largest digital statistical database - doing everything from validating the stats to writing the handbooks and lecturing on how to use the system and interpret the data. I will have a look and see if I can identify the file and see if I can attach that as well.It is important that we try and challenge Bradford on the numbers they are using. You could even send it off as a separate objection - you can send as many as you like - even cutting and sending the topics on the preforma as separate objections, the more the merrier! I actually started typing lots of this up but when it started to get to about three pages for this one topicIi realised I wouldn't have time to do a much shorter proforma letter that people could just sign and send off if they didn't want or hadn't got time to do a response of their own. I will get on and do a much more detailed abjection which I can send in on behalf of BRAG as I think w ewill be allowed a bit more time for that. I am a bit typed out and have a bit of a crick in my neck so I am afraid it tailed off towards the end - should have started it weeks ago! Anyway the deadline is this Friday, the 20th so it would be good if you could get something off by then - the more the better. Sandy Mac ___________ I believe the deadline has been extended. The Ilkley pro-forma LDF objection document: silsden.net/LDF/docs/2012/LDF_Pro_forma_Ilkley.doc silsden.net/LDF/docs/2012/LDF_Pro_forma_Ilkley.pdf |
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