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Topic : Consultation on Primary School Education in Silsden |
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| Peter |
Consultation on Primary School Education in Silsden We (Bradford) are consulting on making changes to the primary school provision in Silsden. Silsden is currently catered for by two schools: •Aire View Infants (Age Range 3 to 7 years inclusive) •Hothfield Junior (Age Range 7 to 11 years inclusive) The Local Authority is considering merging the above infant and junior schools and creating a single primary school (3 to 11 years inclusive) in Silsden. The benefits of one primary school include: •continuity of education for children, less disruption for pupils •only one application for admission into reception would be required •siblings of older children would still be attending the same school •priority would be given for siblings to be allocated to the school •parents/carers taking children to one school, saving some time and travel •one school uniform •financial savings •sharing of resources through the year groups To merge the schools under current regulations the Local Authority (LA) would therefore propose to extend the current age groups at one of the schools and close the other school. The LA is also proposing to increase the Published Admission Number (PAN) at Hothfield Junior School from 75 to 90. More information... https://www.bradford.gov.uk/bmdc/Consultations/primary_school_education_in_silsden |
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| ginjo |
so have they got a new site in mind I wonder |
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| davidaloud |
There really is only one suitable site - it would be a nonsense to try and manage this under a split school arrangement and neither site is large enough to accommodate the other school. Silsden children and the community of Silsden deserve a modern school with the most up to date equipment and teaching, with facilities that can be utilized by the community. Everyone who has an interest in this should get behind the review and force the local authorities hand to provide a future for our kids. Can I remind you all that Silsden schools are the only ones left in the Bradford education system that operate on separate infant and primary schools, and the system just isn't geared up for this arrangement anymore. |
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| dexter |
Obviously a brand new school would be the best answer, but that could take some time. It could be better to proceed with the current suggestion from Bradford to merge the 2 schools into one, and operate from both sites as they are now. This would prevent the recent sibling problem arising, and hopefully secure places for local children in future. Is this merger something STC should take on board to promote, and then press for a new school again as well? The more people who reply to the consultation the better. I'm not sure how widely the subject is being pushed in the community. Also our new Bradford Council rep should be brought in to help? |
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| thanet |
i agree silsden could do with a new modern larger school to house both the old schools but we all know if or when that happens the old schools would be knocked down to make space for yet more houses therefore the problem would just arise again. Follow the link and you can down load the form to vote for or against the proposal the more who do this might get the council to do something about it |
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| skippy |
Cllr Naylor and myself have worked so hard on this issue over the last 12months I find it galling that they wait until after the election to announce their intentions when we were asked not to say anything(confidentiality), so please all get behind this consultation and ask for a brand new school on the land that was taken years ago for such purpose, I know Cllr Naylor will fight tooth and nail for the new school. please don't assume it will happen without our cooperation,dont forget that Cllr mallinson said in the press recently that he was standing for a seat in north Yorkshire as the tories were not in power so there was nothing for him to do,so don't rely on any help from him . |
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| ginjo |
which land are you referring to skippy? |
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| skippy |
ginjo the land above the park |
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| Golden Oldie |
Am I being DIM If there aren't enough places available now, how is merging the 2 schools going to resolve the issue of available places. Still the same number of class rooms over 2 sites. Definitely stand in the corner for new buildings as this would hopefully be beneficial to all. No axe to grind as we do not have small children requiring schooling, just feel for the parents of youngsters wishing to go to the local school. |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
Yet again, Bradford Met is NOT interested in Silsden, or any other town or village outside of the city centre. They make it clear in this statement - "Should the LA decide to proceed with the proposals all staff and members of the governing body of both schools would have equal status and would be transferred over to the primary school". The mentality of the council "leaders" is that we, the public work for them, not the other way round. This is why we have lost the town hall, library, toilets and countless other assets. The town hall fiasco has already illustrated the fact that public opinion is not taken into consideration, take a look at the crossing fiasco. The list is endless. I have lost count of the number of times I have lamented the fact that we do NOT want, or need more houses in Silsden. How do Bradford Met plan on increasing PAN, when the classes or already over capacity? How will merging the schools combat the over subscription problem? They have already stated that one head and deputy will be employed to look after the whole school "The proposal would mean one Headteacher and one governing body for the extended school which is proposed to either be run on a split site basis using the current school buildings, or if possible one new build school on a site yet to be determined in Silsden". This means at least two people will lose their jobs. It is all very well concentrating on junior and middle school, what about pupils at KS2 levels? |
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| midway |
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| Peter |
This is a stop gap measure to save face on the lack of school places available for this coming school year. Hopefully to prevent our young children having to go to school in Riddlesden. The only real solution is to build a new school, but where? The land which used to be known as "the dog walking field" and where the rugby posts were below Drabble Farm, is owned by Bradford and it has always been allocated for use for a junior school (apart from when Bradford thought they could make lots of money by building houses on it). They were sorted out by Adrian Naylor with the question about Silsden schooling and the lack of suitable land. The problem with the land which is at the top of Banklands Lane is the access. I can't see parents from the other side of the valley walking their children to school, so chaos on Howden Road here it comes! But I digress, please look at the link I provided and add your suggestions, this is vital this is sorted out asap for the children that haven't been offered a local school place in Silsden this Autumn. |
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| adeythom |
quote It is all very well concentrating on junior and middle school, what about pupils at KS2 levels? Junior school pupils ARE KS2 level. You might mean KS3 (secondary school, 11-16)? Building a new secondary school from scratch would be a whole different ballgame, although if the land was available (and the funding) a 3-18 through academy would be an interesting approach - one campus, two separate schools sharing expensive facilities and specialist teaching, under one head teacher and two school leaders. There haven't been any state middle schools in Bradford since the council looked at the educational outcomes of the city, and decided that it was middle schools to blame (not lack of investment, obviously...)  |
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| dexter |
quoteThis is a stop gap measure to save face on the lack of school places available for this coming school year. Hopefully to prevent our young children having to go to school in Riddlesden. please look at the link I provided and add your suggestions, this is vital this is sorted out asap for the children that haven't been offered a local school place in Silsden this Autumn. Peter is right.... get the short term problem sorted first and help the parents out. A new school is medium to long term, and can be dealt with separately. If the schools are designated as one school, it's a start! |
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| davidaloud |
Does anyone know if the schools, nurseries and childrens centres in the area are going to promote this review. Also is it going to have exposure in the local press so as many people as possible are aware that it is taking place. Bradford Council don't have a good record at promoting these types of things in the local area. Can STC produce a poster to go into the usual local shops, post office, etc.Can the local councilors make their positions known on this matter in this forum. |
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| hat |
obvious place to me for a new school is the empty plot where the Tesco was planned to go. It's brownfield so has the utilities already available (gas/water/electric). It's easily accesible & can be walked to/from without having to cross busy roads. it's sat right next to sports facilities that could be utilised, & it's not in the middle of a residential area. |
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| robin |
quoteobvious place to me for a new school is the empty plot where the Tesco was planned to go. It's brownfield so has the utilities already available (gas/water/electric). It's easily accesible & can be walked to/from without having to cross busy roads. it's sat right next to sports facilities that could be utilised, & it's not in the middle of a residential area. Is there any information as to the condition of the " old dye works " land, might it not be saturated with arsenic. And other harmful chemicals? I agree with you it would be very close to,the sports facilities but I'm not sure parents would walk to/from. Aireview and Hothfield are almost central, 30 years ago my daughter went to both schools, many parents drove to school even then. |
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| ginjo |
I also think the Tesco site is the best option in terms of size and the nearby sports facility, yes it is a little out from the centre but there are not many options avaialable, I cannot think of anywhere in the centre of silsden that would be big enough.People are going to have to stop being so lazy and start walking! It was quite a trek for me from waterside area to the schools but doing that walk 4 times a day certainly kept the weight off!Realistically I suppose the joint site option will have to operate until a plot is found that will be big enough as unlikely even if approved and right site found that anything will be built for several years, meanwhile everybody stop having babies! |
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| victor |
I think you will find that the affect of noise and air pollution from both Keighley road and the Air valley trunk road will rule out the Tesco site. Can you just consider the effect on children's health if they had to walk to school in rush hour from the top of Bolton road to the Tesco site, most would end up with breathing problems. The affect of the noise and air pollution from the trunk road would mean the windows would have to be kept closed. I would not have wanted my children to go to a school down there. |
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| ginjo |
what about sykes lane then instead of houses a school |
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| skippy |
as ive already said its above the park not down kly road. bfd don't own any land other than that above the park, no money to buy the site muted for Tesco as It would be in the region of 5,oooooo. |
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| ginjo |
well that's not very easy to get to either for people from top of skipton road etc and is it big enough |
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| Listener |
Wouldn`t selling the land they had earmarked decades ago for a school along with the 2 present schools already being used for housing, then buying the Tesco land make more sense? The land they own would not be big enough anyway and as previously stated the access to and from would never be passed, not even by its own council. Air pollution would not be an issue with modern day vehicles wherever it was sited. As we are now a generation who relies on our cars access to and from the new Tesco site would only be more chaotic for less than an hour or so a day. Although a pipe dream at the moment to build a new school, the proposal to merge the 2 makes not only economic sense but logic for parents with children at each school to have both children with the same holidays. It`s good to see so many sensible views on a very important subject. |
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| Peter |
quoteSince when has any money come back to Silsden when Bradford has sold Silsden's assets in the past? |
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| victor |
Listener just have a look at Google earth maps, if you compare the area taken up by the two schools you can see the land off Middleway is far larger. There is road access from Middleway and Aireville mount, also footpath access to Banklands lane so access would be no problem. Also as for air pollution, why are they now talking about banning diesel vehicles in London. |
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| kvs |
Middleway as a suggested entrance? That would be like planning application in the dark ages. With one car parked on the side of the road it would be difficult to get one more car past it. There is no way a school bus to take the kids swimming could get up there. Let's hope that the planners move into the 21st century when planning access to this site, if it is to be used. |
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| blob |
quoteAlso as for air pollution, why are they now talking about banning diesel vehicles in London. Particulates and nitrogen oxide which can be carcinogenic and harmful to breathing system. They are on about banning diesels in Paris as well. There is an interesting argument about diesel cars brewing amongst the health brigade who say they are harmful to health and the environmentalists who say they are essential for reduced CO2 emissions which cause "global warming". |
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| davidaloud |
The access to the original location for the proposed school is completely unsuitable for a school with 600+ children. I am sure if you asked the residents of Aireville and Middleway what their preference was for a School at the end of the road or housing I am pretty sure which way they would vote. If air quality is a concern then suggest an air quality survey be carried out in the location of the old Weavestyle factory. As we usually suffer from prevailing westerlies the air is coming straight off open fields. Might get the odd bad smell from muck spreading but on the whole I would think that the overall air quality there would be far better than where the present schools are positioned. As regards the cost of the land - the value of the land is only worth as much as what the local planning authority will allow to be built on the site. I am sure with the demise of the major supermarkets interest in this area, the £5 million price tag suggested will have dropped substantially. A local developer I am sure would be equally interested if the existing school sites could be made available for housing once the new school was built. If access is designed correctly (have a look at Cottingley school that has a large entrance area) and improvements were made in the roads and paths, including restrictions for passing HGV's then there is no reason why the school should have any detrimental effect on traffic that we experience in the village now at school times. The school in this location can access and even enhance the existing sports facilities for the town as a whole. |
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| andytee853 |
Slightly off topic but... Quote "Air pollution would not be an issue with modern day vehicles wherever it was sited." Nonsense I'm afraid. You have obviously not walked down to the station during peak traffic times. Diesel fumes are the problem and they are toxic. Recently designated a carcinogen by the World Health Organisation. Yes, they give you lung cancer folks! Not to mention respiratory illnesses such as asthma and who knows what else. Since so many of our cars are now diesel it is a problem that has got worse over the last decade. The manufacturers kid us that their cars are now clean but it's simply not true. Yes, a Euro6 diesel smells a bit better but it is still a producer of significantly more NOx than petrol engines and nasty particulates that enter directly into the bloodstream through the lungs. Legislation is on the way to improve matters in cities but that won't reach out to Silsden. Epic failure of politicians I'm afraid! Only EU laws are forcing them to do something. Back on topic: I have a son with asthma and he won't be going to any school that's next to a main road! |
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| victor |
KVS I think you will find Middleway is 16 foot is wide, enough for two cars to pass each other, and Aireville mount is 19 foot wide. Access could also be from Hawber lane. |
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| kvs |
A measuring tape will be no good when all the parents are parked on both sides of middle way and no car can get between them. |
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| dexter |
Before we get carried away with other things.... don't forget to support our parents and children by replying to the Consultation.. I did mine by email, giving them the info requested in their form... saves time, printing and postage.. |
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| Peter |
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/keighleynews/12955657.print/ |
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| Happywalker |
Is there any update on this proposal, in particular, the worrying prospect of access to any new school via Howden Road or Middleway? The choice of either location will make the junction of Clog Bridge and Keighley Road an absolute nightmare. Its dangerous enough as it is at present.There would also be a detrimental impact on the local residents. Any future school building project needs to be fit for purpose for the longterm. Many modern projects make provisions for parents to gain vehicular access to the school grounds from a main road and have an access road leading to a large drop off / collection area, thus avoiding traffic disruption to other road users and limiting any impact to nearby residents. Access from Bolton Road, if appropriate measures were put in place, might be a suitable entrance. The " school run" using the Clog Bridge / Keighley Road junction will literally be a " car crash " decision. |
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