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Topic : Speedwatch |
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| gazzer |
Sort of Dads Army with speed cameras.Im not saying we should speed.Rather they targeted bad drivers.What about putting someone on Hard Ings roundabout in a morning and catching those who sneak in from the left lane and turn right. My main grumble is that in the last half hour they were on Howden Rd outside No9.Right near cars parked on both sides of the road and at a junction.Drivers seeing them were jamming the brakes on not because they were speeding but because they thought something was "going on".Rubber necking is the term I think.What was supposed to be accident prevention was actually creating a potential accident. I wonder if a proper risk assessment was taken out prior to this Speedwatch. |
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| alan |
Isn't speeding bad driving then? How can you complain about Speedwatch on Howden Road? That's beyond me! |
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| gazzer |
quoteI actually said "Im not saying we should speed". Some people think you can drive how you like as long as you keep to the speed limit. If it causes distraction to drivers like it did to the car infront of me, then you shouldnt put speedwatch by a junction which is on a bend where cars are parked on both sides of the road.Drivers on Howden Rd at this particular time needed to focus on the hazards. "SW checks may only operate at locations that have been agreed and risk assessed by the PLO. The PSWLC should be notified in advance about planned road checks. SW checks will only take place between sunrise and sunset. A risk assessment must be carried out before any check is held and must include the prevailing weather conditions, condition of the road surface, road works and any other exceptional circumstances." I dont believe the above was carried out |
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| alan |
To quote - "Rather they targeted bad drivers". No comment............. |
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| gazzer |
quoteA bad driver is likely to break all the rules of the road on purpose including speeding. Whereas everbody has at sometime gone over the speed limit but it doesnt make them bad drivers. |
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| alan |
Yes it does, but we'll have to agree to disagree......... Bad driving is breaking the law, simple, or driving in a dangerous or inconsiderate manner etc. Just because we may all do it doesn't make it right! |
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| grandad |
Gazzer, it would appear from this post that you know a lot about the subject, if so please will you advise what "PLO, & PSWLC" stand for, I don't think I have heard of either of them. Posted by Gazzer. "SW checks may only operate at locations that have been agreed and risk assessed by the PLO. The PSWLC should be notified in advance about planned road checks. SW checks will only take place between sunrise and sunset. A risk assessment must be carried out before any check is held and must include the prevailing weather conditions, condition of the road surface, road works and any other exceptional circumstances." |
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| alan |
PSWLC = Parish Speed Watch Liason Councillor PLO = Police Liason Officer SW = Speedwatch Think he he got the info from the internet 'grandad'  Like I did  |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 3 time(s) I would also suggest 'grandad' that these are just procedures copied from one particular force, maybe WY maybe not, there's a whole raft of them on the web. There again, this is Kent Police's procedure, ring any bells? "5.14. SW checks may only operate at locations that have been agreed and risk assessed by the PLO. The PSWLC should be notified in advance about planned road checks. SW checks will only take place between sunrise and sunset. A risk assessment must be carried out before any check is held and must include the prevailing weather conditions, condition of the road surface, road works and any other exceptional circumstances." It would be nice if anyone wants to make quotes that they state their reference! |
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| skippy |
stop nit picking alan. |
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| alan |
Nope |
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| grandad |
Thanks Alan, maybe the reason all that crap wasn't done is because we don't live in the south of England, round here I suppose we follow the rules laid down by our local force. |
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| Herself |
Just for reference. Complaints about speeding on Howden Rd came to the Elected Cllr representing STC . It was passed via Police Tasking meeting to Community Police. Who with a member of Speedwatch, carried out the request. |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) quote |
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| gazzer |
Back to my main point. Why did Speedwatch set up at a junction near to where cars were parked on both sides of the road and also on a bend?.Howden Road is 1/2mile long so i'm sure somewhere safer could have been chosen. |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Somewhere safer? You mean where there weren't complaints of speeding? I would suggest you read the post by 'Herself' 'gazzer'. I've seen many speeding dangerously up Howden Road over the past twenty odd years I've lived here! Hopefully they'll be on Ings Way, Elliot Street, and Hothfield Street etc very soon. If drivers are that easily distracted I'd suggest the bus! |
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| gazzer |
quoteAre you saying cars only speed at the junction with Weatherhead Place? |
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| grandad |
Gazzer and everyone else who drives/rides on the roads. It might help if you were to read rules 146 & 147 in the new Highway code, or better still actually read and apply all of the code. If everone did this then Speedwatch would be unnecessary. |
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| wahiba |
Is it actually legal to check car speeds from a car parked on the side of the road where it is actually obstructing the free progress of traffic? I only ask as I have been nicked for doing 36 mph where the road leaves the Halifax road and heads towards the top of Thornton Road. I was actually guilty of speeding but reckon it was nearer 34 or 35 as seeing the police van I checked my speed. However the police van was on the opposite side of the road parked facing oncoming traffic, contrary to the Highway Code. Also 35 mph is the limit for errors, making 36 mph look rather suspicious. Being a Yaris I was reading a clear digital figure, not guessing off a speedo dial. If I read myself 38 or so then I would just take the rap, but 36. Checked on the internet and it is amazing the number of people willing to flog you letters etc. to help you get off. As it is the first time I have been caught in 43 years of driving I am not to upset, but 36 mph!!! Any suggestions gratefully received. Living off Ings Road as I do I think they might have a long wait for the speed merchants. Not that much traffic and during the day it is mostly learners. A bigger problem are those who park tall vehicles near corners so anyone coming out has to crawl out blindly to avoid anyone coming down the road. |
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| carliol |
wahiba.....pay the fine, and take it on the chin, you admit you were speeding. Many of us have been caught, and moved on....a bit more carefully! I was caught by a speed cop on a motorcycle (remember them) and he was a neighbour who lived 3 doors away. But 1966 was a long time ago! |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) You've lost me with your argument 'gazzer', can't really see the point of it any more I'm afraid. It's obvious there were complaints so what does it matter where they were? If you say they were in a dangerous place, then it's obviously a much more dangerous place to speed there as well. As for 'wahiba', pay the fine. If you were going over 30 you were guilty You could take it to court and argue, I got caught at 36mph on Halifax Road and knew I was doing that sort of speed, so why get upset. I've driven for nearly the same time as you, just amazed it's the first time as I was a prat in my youth I most certainly wouldn't trust the speedo on any modern car, no matter how apparently hi tech. |
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| wahiba |
If I cannot trust modern speedos maybe I was only doing 29.9 mph and the 36 mph is due to under funded police using badly set up gear! - or worse, fiddling to hit targets!!!! Biggest gripe is the police van being parked contrary to the highway code. Worth mentioning, you never know. Otherwise you are all correct, I should take it on the chin for probably the thousands of motoring misdemeanours I have got away with. |
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| pumbajunior |
quoteyour speedo should show 2-3mph more than your doing so if you saw 35 your doing 32-33 car companys do this so they cant be done for it best thing if caught is ask to see todays calibration report card however cant do that if its sent through post |
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| coby1 |
it was on radio leeds today that hebden bridge has now become a 20mph town I think it is time Silsden asked Bradford met for a 20mph speed limit |
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| alan |
So do I 'coby1' as do a number of Town Councillors, BUT it's not supported generally by the District Councillors! |
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| pumbajunior |
yup id be all for that but enforcement is the key no point in having 20mph signs if no enforcement the speeders will still do 40mph + |
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| Herself |
There's always more than one way to skin a cat!!.If everyone who was in support of 20mph limit drove at 20mph, then all cars behind would be forced to drive at that speed as there aren't many places to overtake in Silsden. Is anyone else in favour of asking Peter to do a survey on " Do you want to see a 20mph limit in Silsden" ?. |
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| alan |
Perhaps we should have special stickers in the back window for those who are stuck behind us at 20mph That's a serious suggestion, anyone can produce some? |
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| Peter |
<snip>Is anyone else in favour of asking Peter to do a survey on " Do you want to see a 20mph limit in Silsden" ?. </snip> I was thinking along those line myself but I would like to make it more comprehensive and include parking and other traffic related problems in Silsden. The only time you can do more than 20mph through Kirkgate is when the shops are closed. So is there any point reducing the speed limit to 20mph? - perhaps the requirement should be a little more defined. If parking was stopped in Kirkgate would the shops go out of business, would a 20mph speed limit be required. Is there an alternative to speed bumps and speed cameras to slow down traffic? We all have our views and we don't all live on Kirkgate. What are your personal traffic problems and what suggestions do you have to resolve these problems. Rather than ask these types of questions on this forum why not fill in the short questionnaire below. I will then use your questions to make a survey on the traffic problems in Silsden. I have one set of questions on the Bell Square area but there are lots of other areas we should all be involved with, the Howden Road, Kirkgate, Elliott Street junction comes to mind! Don't be shy put your questions here: www.survey.faxsol.co.uk/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=94KH47l |
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| gazzer |
quoteI dont think you should be encourageing dangerous driving behaviour.Driving too slowly is actually an offence and makes the top ten reasons why people fail driving tests with 65,000 people failing because they drove too slowly. By suggesting people drive at 2/3 of the speed limit you are asking them to brake the law. |
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| pumbajunior |
i wouldnt have thought doing 20 in a 30mph zone would be classed as going too slow 30 is the speed LIMIT not minimum speed as far as im aware the only minimum speed limit is 50mph on a motorway i am by no means an expert though so i could br wrong |
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| ginjo |
there are some good ideas but just another thought, has anyone been watching "the woman who stopped traffic" channel 4 tuesdays 9pm? I watched it last week and again last night.Its about getting people to leave their cars at home whenever possible and walk, cycle car share or use public transport.She goes to a different place each week and trys to persuade people to support her on 1 day to see what a difference it makes.The first week worked very well in Marlow (herts) but last night she was in Boston and it did not work too well, even the 2500 hospital employees did not support it despite the fact that Boston is officially the "fatest" town in the country.I think its a great idea and I think if everyone could see that sometimes it is quicker not to use the car(because you are not sat in a jam)more people would consider it. |
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| wahiba |
Whenever driving down Kirgate in traffic I rarely exceed 10 mph, less if there is a big 4x4, or kids in an old Astra on my tail. It also gives anyone coming out of Howden Road a chance. Biggest nuisance are those who park in the bus stop, or the other side of the road, usually to use the cash machine. Makes me even go slower!! |
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| Peter |
Put your traffic ideas, questions, problem here www.survey.faxsol.co.uk/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=94KH47l |
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| Herself |
Sorry Gazzer, I didn't make myself clear. I was replying to pumbajunior's point of how we could enforce it if we did have a 20mph limit. |
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| alan |
'gazzer' what's the offence of driving at 20mph in a place like Silsden? |
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