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Topic : aireville crescent |
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| trace |
what has happen to the low wall into the field on aireville crescent are we not allowed in the field anymore? |
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| gazzer |
Just a rumour that they maybe putting bulls in the field |
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| pumbajunior |
is this the dog walking field? |
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| wahiba |
Isn't there a public right of way across the field? If so bulls are allowed so long as there are cows as well, to keep them occupied I suppose. |
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| Dave |
Access is from Middle way, the low wall on Aireville crescent is just a shortcut. |
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| Loafer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) The new sign there states that from time to time there will be the occasional Bull in there from a Beef breed. I think I'm right in remembering that it is the Dairy breed Bulls that are not allowed in fields with public access as they are much more aggresive. |
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| gazzer |
Precautions if you graze dairy bulls or entire male cattle for bull beef n Never keep them in fields with public rights of way, statutory or other permitted access. Remember, it is against the law to keep a recognised dairy bull in a field crossed by a public right of way. n In other fields make sure that groups of animals older than 10 months are securely enclosed by stock-proof hedging or fencing at least 1.3 m high, strong enough to retain the animals and capable of restricting access to children. Erecting an electric fence 0.5 m inside the external perimeter hedge or fence will provide a greater degree of security. n Fit gates or other means of closure at points of entry into the fields containing the cattle. Gates etc should be at least of equal height and strength as the perimeter fencing, restrict the access of young children and be fitted with a securing device which will prevent release by children and the animals. They can also be kept locked as they will not be sited on public rights of way. www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/ais17ew.pdf www.defra.gov.uk/farm/environment/rights-of-way/index.htm |
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| wahiba |
If I read it correctly then bulls that are 'entire' are the ones to watch out for. Means the eunuchs are quite safe. |
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| Vill |
Steer'ing away from the cattle issue. Apparently they are putting a ladder type stile up where the gap was, but the chap doing it is on honeymoon for 2 weeks. On maps the footpath goes along the bottom of the field, up the right hand side and along the top. Shouldn't this topic be called Aireville Mount?? |
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| Loafer |
There were already Cattle in the field late last night. Didn't go close enough to find out if one was a Bull....  |
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| hat |
quoteyes it is the dog walking field & there are some cows with young calves & a couple of bulls in there at the moment |
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| pumbajunior |
quotefrom what id heard that was a public field once to be used for a school didnt realise it belonged to a farmer or is this not the case? |
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| coby1 |
this field was once earmarked for the new shcool |
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| hat |
it was once earmarked for a school but it is looked after & used by the farm adjoining it. i'm not sure who actually owns it. its interesting that the sign that has been put up now the wall has been bricked up says that the footpath across it is only permissive - ie it can be revoked by the land owner at any time & is not a legal right of way. it also says the access from aireville mount has been closed off permanently & there's now a new spring-loaded gate has been put up at the access point from Middleway. this is the field i've been looking at submitting to the council for village green status so that it can be protected from development. you just have to show that it has been used by locals for recreation for the last 20 years without access being removed |
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| wahiba |
If the path is marked on the latest ordnance survey maps then it is not permissive as these are from the local councils data. If it has been used for 21 years and a day then I believe it is definitely a public right of way. Posting a notice about it being permissive is probably someone trying it on. This information is of the top of my head so I am prepared to stand corrected. |
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| Peter |
I always believed this field was Bradford Council owned. It used to have rugby posts on it, and up to now has never had any animals grazing. I thought the land was intended to used to build a new junior school at some time in the future. It has never been cut for hay or silage,something I could never understand. The grass has always been cut to a reasonable length but not for any farming purpose. |
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| gazzer |
I think the council have always cut the grass in the field so assume they own it. |
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| hat |
the council have always cut it previously but this year it was left to grow to about 3 feet tall & the farmer cut it about 2-3 weeks ago & collected all the hay |
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| Digger |
The field is owned by Bradford Met. and was purchased as a possible school site . It is currently designated as park land and as such cannot be sold for building land . When is fenced off after a number of years it can be re-designated as argricultural and could then be sold as building land . Don't know who has the ability or know how to try to prevent this happening . But something should be done quickly , the boundary fence is almost complete. |
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| Peter |
I have put a few links together to help us understand what "Village Green Status" means to an area of land. On the face of it this area of land has been used for public sport and activities for a good many years and it would stand a chance to get Village Green Status. HAT has started looking into it but I'm sure would like a little help. If you are interested please email me and I will pass your details on. If we can get this going we should do it as a community. What Village Green Status means www.legal500.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1299 The area of land we are talking about maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=silsden&ie=UTF8&ll=53.913291,-1.928524&spn=0.002875,0.003691&t=h&z=18 Background reading and examples www.planningsanity.co.uk/forums/vg/vilgrn1.htm East Sussex CC advice BUT it's in Plain English www.eastsussex.gov.uk/community/townsvillages/villagegreens/default.htm Defra, the legal stuff www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/issues/common/town-villagegreens/index.htm |
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| hat |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) excellent, thanks Peter. i think this is a really important issue for the community to get involved in. This is the link to the DEFRA site which has the forms that need to be completed - www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/issues/common/town-villagegreens/index.htm The main part of the application process is to gather witness statements from locals who can confirm that the land has been used unhindered over the years. my initial thoughts were to create a survey/questionnaire for people to fill in & hand this out to people who use the field regularly? if we can organise something through this site that would be great. |
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| hat |
by the way a gate & steps have now been constructed to gain access from aireville mount again |
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| Peter |
These are the guidance notes for registering land as Villge Green Status. This is the starter for 10 MUST READ www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/issues/common/pdf/gnotes-reg-townvill.pdf If you are interested then please email me and I will co-ordinate things. Email address at the bottom of the page |
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| jonno |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) I was crossing this field with the Mrs and kids (from Bankland Lane to Hawber Lane) on Monday evening. There were no cattle in the field. A chap with a dog was coming the other way. He was throwing a ball for the dog. A chap came out of the farm and yelled at him in quite an agressive manner, "put that dog on a lead NOW! it's a public footpath not a dog excersize field!" ... he may be right but he's a grumpy bugger in my opinion. If cows with calves are put in this field I will be a bit concerned because this is the time when cows can become most agressive, especially if you walk between them and their calves, or if you are walking a dog (even on a lead) through the same field. I notice that the fence dividing the upper and lower field has been removed also. |
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| hat |
oh yes, he's your archetypal grumpy farmer, always yelling at people & randomly shooting stuff  the old wire mesh fence has now been replaced with a much more substantial wooden one & also it seems like they're putting a fence all around the edge of the field to divide the field from the footpaths so that you can only walk around the edges. is this more evidence that it has now changed ownership from the council to the farm? |
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| jonno |
dunno about archetypal farmers, I know a few quite decent friendly ones and I've experienced a few fairly unfriendly ones. That new fence must have gone up quick then, there was no sign of it on Monday. |
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| Rach227 |
Ok so here's the summary of it all. I know what's happened seeing as the cows are behind my house... The farmer leased out the field (don't know for how long) from the coucil. There's a sty entrance. Also there has been a fence built as there are bulls and cows in the field. This fence allows access as the public footpath. I'm glad there's a fence don't know how much longer the back gate could've lasted |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Needs a time/date sorting for us all to meet in the field.If required I will bring the BBQ. Incidently if proof is required that a long established path exists across the field check out Google Earth where it stands out quite clearly. |
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| gazzer |
This might help also www.ramblers.org.uk/footpaths/misc/twenty_year_rule.html www.ramblers.org.uk/footpaths/pdf/evidence_form.pdf |
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| Rach227 |
quoteMy sister told me that she once got chased off with a gun when she 14 ish... something like that, the farmer will do anything to get people off his farm I learnt today the fence is also preventing people from access to the park. |
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| Peter |
quoteGazzer, I'm afraid the path which goes diagonally across the field (the one which can be seen on Google Earth) is not a recognised footpath. It was a shortcut across the field because the path through Drabble Farm was not accessible and there was the added deterrent of the sheep dogs on the farm. The official field footpaths (as marked on the OS map) follow the North wall and the South wall of the field boundary The footpaths can be seen on OS maps and online here gis.bradford.gov.uk/ (This takes to a page where you have to agree to the terms & conditions to use the maps but it is worth it because the maps are detailed and provide a lot of information). The new fence which follows the wall and provides good access to the actual footpath also now provides a gate through to Drabble Farm. To get the field returned to the people we have to prove the land has had free access and has been used for recreational purposes for at least the last 20 years. I have lived here for 17 years and I can remember when there were rugby posts on the field - has anyone got a dated photo of a rugby match on the ground, can anyone remember when the posts were put up, can you remember when the field was purchased by the council for the purpose of building a school for Silsden? Why not ask your neighbours if they remember anything which would help. Where, and what were you doing in 1987. If you want to keep this area for public access then we have to prove it was available for public access 20 years ago. |
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| gazzer |
I will see what I can dig up.Contacted the Council who have sent me some details about the field. Incidently the Council arranged for the fencing so the farmer can graze his cattle.Now my garden could do with a new fence I wonder if the Council will come along and do the work form me? |
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| gazzer |
Found a couple of press cuttings which suggest around 1979 the re-formed rugby club were offered the park arena as a ground if the stumped up £4,500 for drainage work.However they said they had an offer of a ground and would use that.I assume this was the field in question. |
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| Lancs2 |
regarding the new fence, i doubt it was a case of the council doing it just because the farmer wanted to graze his cattle, i think that will be part of it, but my guess is that the council own the boundary fence and therefore (although they cannot be made to) it is up to them to maintain it. maybe it was not considered to be of suitable standard to retain the cattle and therefore needed making so. as someone who deals with farm animals, cows would only chase a dog, or indeed anything, that it thinks is a threat to itself or mainly to its calf. if kept under strict and close control when around cows, a dog should cause no and be free from risk of harm. unfortunately and especially since the right to roam came in, some people think they can go and do what they like and dont always consider the consequences of not keeping a dog on a lead in certain areas. maybe this is why the farmer got so angry at the person exercising their dog (just a guess, although having lived a short walk away from the farm all my life, i know he can be short tempered without reason). taken fron the defra website "In general anyone taking a dog on a right of way is responsible for keeping it under proper control. If a dog is allowed to run around off the path, trespass is committed against the holder of the land." as for the perimeter fence, maybe now that the farmer is grazing stock in the field, he wishes to ensure the animals stay within the field and do not stand a chance of escaping (which they often will if given the opportunity) should a member of the public leave a gate open etc. granted this does not happen often, but it does haooen and is a problem alot of farmers unforunately have to deal with. |
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| robgrillo |
If its the field I think it is then the path that runs through it is a 'public footpath' (OS maps show it to be) - and was the field used by Silsden Rangers RLFC who formed in 1984 as a breakway to the original Silsden club, I have these details: 'A number of grounds were used, notably the Drabble House Field from 1985, one on Keighley Road, and from the 1991-1992 season at South Craven School, Crosshills' Also, according to Steve Pyrah's book 'The story of Rugby league in Silsden' in 1984 the club trained on a piece of council land near Thornber Brow, owned by someone called Malcolm Archer. Training floodlights were actually erected there too. Not sure whether Drabble House Field or Thornber Brow is the field in question - or whether they are one and the same, but they were used over 21 years ago !! |
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| pumbajunior |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Steve is a mate of mine ill phone him and ask him if he knows just phoned him he said Silsden park rangers played on that field from about 1984-1992 |
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