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Topic : Yet ANOTHER accident at the Kings Arms junction |
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| Peter |
Another accident at the Kings Arms - Bolton Road juction this morning. I can remember seeing at least three accidents here involving vihicles pulling out of Bell Square into the path of traffic on Bolton Road. The time has come to do something about this junction. Time to look back at the police reports and find out if there is a common trait as to why these accidents happen. My theory, for what it's worth, is when there is a lot of tarffic coming down Bolton Road motorist turning right out of Bell Square are inclined to make a snap decision when a gap in the traffic appears. However, because the road from Kirkgate bends gently round it is possible for traffic from the right to be hidden behind the doorframe.... snap decision to turn right and BANG there goes your no claim bonus. People have been hurt in these accidents, time to do something about it! |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) My theory, and I have spoken to a couple of drivers involved in accidents here is this. When a car comes to the junction on Bell Sq to turn right the driver checks right then left and seeing no cars on Bolton Rd. However looking right there is an optical illusion which draws your view more towards the church. If a car Addingham bound is about where the former off licence shop door is/was the driver doesnt see it and pulls out. I know this because I did it myself.However I did, as you should have a second look right and was able to stop. This junction needs to be made at least a stop junction or better still a mini roundabout. |
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| pumbajunior |
not so sure a mini roundabout would work so well before moving here i used to live in eldwick at the top of park road in bingly/eldwick there is a mini roundabout traffic coming from eldwick to bingley (straight across) dont take a blind bit of notice of traffic coming up park road and turning right towards gilstead down warren lane (i know because ive had at least 30 near misses myself) worst culprits are mums in big 4x4's with a mobile phone clamped to there ear  |
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| alan |
With 30 near misses pumba sounds like you are one of the worst culprits! Just joking  Think a mini roundabout just makes matters worse like you say! |
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| pumbajunior |
nope i was turning accross traffic already on the roundabout fully aware that these 4x4 driving housewives illegally on there mobiles while driving were not going to notice so i pretty much used to go round slowly with indicator on wait for them to realise at the last minute that there not the only vehicle within 100 miles id raise my hands in a what the hell do you think your doing gesture (no nasty salutes i might add) they would leave black lines as they screech to a halt then id continue semi safely on my way home i once had one woman again in a 4x4 on the phone not even notice n plow straight accross the rounabout and carry on as if i was invisible at about 40mph (its only 30mph there too) |
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| skippy |
people should get their eyes tested then they might see oncoming vehicles  or just dont be in a rush mini roundabout would make it easier to get out of this road end |
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| carliol |
maybe traffic lights would be better, it's a very busy junction, and might solve all the problems. It would also slow down speeding vehicles coming down Bolton Road into Silsden |
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| alan |
quotepeople should get their eyes tested then they might see oncoming vehicles or just dont be in a rush One hundred percent skippy, if people paid attention and had respect for other drivers there's no need for traffic lights or silly mini roundabouts! |
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| Peter |
Sorry Alan I can't agree. There must be something wrong with this junction or there wouldn't be so many accidents. The police have been called to a few of these accidents so they must have reports as to the causes. It's all well and good to say keep your eyes open and don't be in a rush, but it doesn't always work that way unfortunately. The innocent victim is usually the driver passing through Silsden when someone pulls out in front giving them no chance to stop. |
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| carliol |
there is a problem at this junction, there is a blind spot which has happened to me twice. I could have sworn that there was no traffic approaching from the right( out of Silsden going up Bolton Road to Addingham), having checked both ways carefully. Then a car has appeared suddenly, and luckily I have only just edged out into the road, so no accident has happened. I drive carefully, but there is something there....maybe Scully and Mulder could solve it! |
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| skippy |
specsavers more likely |
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| alan |
That old saying eh, as you scrape your car up - Sorry Mate I Didn't See You!  |
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| grandad |
I believe a mini roundabout would help, it would slow traffic as it enters Silsden down Bolton Rd, but the main problem is useless drivers who don’t look properly, I firmly believe all drivers should have to take regular assessments both of their eyesight and their driving ability, the standard needs raising to a whole new level, why do you think there are so few plane crashes? Because all the pilots are tested every six months. |
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| Peter |
Perhaps it is time to admit there is a problem with sight-lines at this junction. Of the accidents I have observed at this junction NONE have involved a 4 x 4 or other high view vehicle perhaps you have to be of a lower disposition to need your eyes tested? Time to check the police reports methinks! |
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| alan |
quotewhy do you think there are so few plane crashes? Because all the pilots are tested every six months. Because planes are flow by people who are aware of what is going on around them and act accordingly, not by numpties who are smoking, chatting to their mates, using their phone, and generally not taking notice of other road users, etc etc! AND don't get me started on taxi drivers driving in this town now!!!! |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quotePerhaps it is time to admit there is a problem with sight-lines at this junction. Of the accidents I have observed at this junction NONE have involved a 4 x 4 or other high view vehicle perhaps you have to be of a lower disposition to need your eyes tested? Time to check the police reports methinks! Oh dear pumba WILL be dissappointed Think he was frightened by a 4 x 4 when he was little! |
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| Peter |
There have been enough accidents at this junction to check the facts (reports) about the reason why they occurred, we don't have to guess. I was a witness to one of these accidents, the lady who pulled out in front of a car coming from the Kirkgate direction said that "she just didn't see the car". The result of the collision was the car heading towards Addingham crashed into the wall by the old police station and the driver was taken to hospital with a broken leg. BTW I believe woman drivers are no better or worse than men, some are much better. |
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| alan |
I think that all new drivers should be made tio drive a two wheeled vehicle for a year BEFORE they get a car licence! That way they'll appreciate the value of being aware of other road users! |
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| pumbajunior |
quote quotePerhaps it is time to admit there is a problem with sight-lines at this junction. Of the accidents I have observed at this junction NONE have involved a 4 x 4 or other high view vehicle perhaps you have to be of a lower disposition to need your eyes tested? Time to check the police reports methinks! Oh dear pumba WILL be dissappointed Think he was frightened by a 4 x 4 when he was little! nope i just think high paid husbands with wives that cant drive buy there wives big 4x4's thinking my kids will be safe doesnt matter if they knock the corners off a bit personally i think you should have to take some sort of light hgv test before driving a big 2-3 ton 4x4 most of these drivers think if they park on a bit of grass there going off road |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Oh dear 'pumba' what a lot of cliche generalisations! Women that can't drive etc! There's not even a 4x4 apparently been involved in an accident there! Anyway he's off topic Peter, get him told! |
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| spud |
they slow down for the corner then see the hill and put there foot down |
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| grandad |
Spud, the vehicles coming up the road are not the problem, unless they are going at warp speed, it's the ones that pull out of bell square without checking that the road is clear. Peter most but not all of the collisions (We don't refer to them as accidents anymore) at this junction are none injury ones so the police do not have to get involved, so they wont have all the data. |
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| pumbajunior |
quoteOh dear 'pumba' what a lot of cliche generalisations! Women that can't drive etc! There's not even a 4x4 apparently been involved in an accident there! Anyway he's off topic Peter, get him told! sorry for being mildly off topic i was just reffering to a vast experiance of another similar site were a mini roundabout was put in years ago and very little changed in my opinion people on the main road through silsden will treat the roundabout as if it isnt there |
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| alan |
I agree 'pumba', I don't think people know how to use 'em and that makes them more difficult that what they replace! |
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| Peter |
grandad, perhaps the landlord of the Kings Arms would be a good person to ask about the collisions? Alan, I for one would not feel safe coming out of Bell Square if the junction was controlled by traffic lights. At least a mini roundabout would calm the traffic, keep it mmoving and give give everyone a chance of access to Bolton Road. I don't know what the problem is with roundabouts, try driving through Swindon, a new mini roundabout appears everyday! They work very well. If you want a bit of adventure you could always try the magic roundabout in Swindon.   |
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| alan |
Our firm are building some houses not far away from that roundabout Peter. Tried it and my head went! |
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| pumbajunior |
who ever came up with that must have been on something i bet there are plenty of crashes there |
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| Peter |
There have been 14 serious accidents and just over a hundred lesser ones recorded in 25 years, that rate is less than one would expect for such a busy junction. Most accidents have involved cyclists and motorcyclists and now a cycle lane running right round the outside of the roundabout, with pelican crossings, should ensure that the Magic Roundabout becomes as safe as it is efficient. It is easy to use - you just picture the direction sign in your mind and aim in the direction you want to go. For more information about how the rounabout came about and a motorist eye view try these websites: www.swindonweb.com/index.asp?m=8&s=115&ss=289 www.armin-grewe.com/holiday/wiltshire/swindon-roundabout.htm NOTE the white paint can be SEEN not worn off like the road markings in Bradmet and especially on our Zebra Crossings. PS My home town is the other side of Swindon. |
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| alan |
Don't you think that one will be a bit big for the centre of Silsden, Peter? |
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| Peter |
Alan, just a little bit too large but the principle is the same for a mini roundabout, keep traffic moving safely. So all we need for the Kings Arms junction is a pot of white paint and a few signs...... oops forgot! Bradford have run out of white paint or they would have painted the zebra crossings a long time ago! ...and that is another topic! |
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| gazzer |
I can give an example of a mini roundabout that works and is similar to Bolton Road/Bell Sq. Its outside Cross Hills police station. |
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| jonno |
Gazzer I don't think the one outside the police station is quite the same. It's on a bend for one thing and the main road I think is quite a bit wider at that point than Bolton road. And for what it's worth I've seen plenty of drivers ignore that round-about and behave as thought the 'main' road has right of way. I use the Bell Square junction daily and I'm aware of the need to check carefully for traffic coming both ways because the view to the right isn't great. As a result I've not had any near misses coming out of this junction. When my wife learned to drive her instructor taught her to 'creep and peep', IE if you can't see creep forwards a tiny bit and try again until you can see it's safe to pull out. People need to take personal responsibility for their driving decisions. "Sorry I didn't see you" equals "I actually didn't look properly because of xxxxx excuse and I'm at fault." What might help is some kind of road sign directly opposite the junction reminding drivers to make sure it safe before they pull out. |
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| alan |
Spot on jonno............ AND a 20mph limit in the built up areas of the town, like I have been suggesting for years! |
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| Peter |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Don't care BUT DO SOMETHING! |
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| alan |
One for pumba.......... www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23440740-details/4X4+drivers+are+safer+says+TfL's+own+report/article.do |
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| alan |
Peter, as you know the TC has put many of these sort of issues to the district councillors, including this one in the past. Requests fall on deaf ears, sadly it seems to take a death to make them move their backsides! |
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