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Topic : Well the plot thickens......... |
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| tetleydrinker |
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/axed-tory-subject-of-complaints-by-women-at-council-1-4480491 www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/around-yorkshire/local-stories/would-be-councillor-vents-anger-over-snub-1-4477040 |
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| ginjo |
very interesting! unfortunately the first link does not work, maybe newspaper has taken it off, what did it say? |
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| tetleydrinker |
This message has been removed It was a copy of the article which appeared in the Yorkshire Post which was removed from their website. You now get the statement: "The page you requested is currently unavailable For some reason the page you are trying to access www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/axed-tory-subject-of-complaints-by-women-at-council-1-4480491 is currently unavailable". ____________________________________ I assume the story was untrue and the Yorkshire Post had to withdraw it or be sued. I do not wish to be sued either so I have deleted tetleydrinker's post. PLEASE DO NOT POST COPIES OF THE YORKSHIRE POST ARTICLE HERE Don't you think it strange that all these negative articles about Adrian Naylor should be appearing just as the postal votes arrive on the doorstep. If you look at the second link which appeared on the Yorkshire Post yesterday, this is the rehash of an old story. It was published at 6am but by 7.28am a poster (who posted several times on the first story) had posted a comment which must had been libellous because it was quickly removed from the site. The second comment was posted (again from a frequent comment to the first article) at 12.19pm. Please do not believe all you read, this local election has got very dirty and there are some nasty negative campaigning going on. This is a Local Election it should not be about party politics but the right man (or woman) for the job, someone who you think will do the best job for Silsden and understands the problems Silsden has, but probably more importantly, the problems Silsden will face in the future. Vote wisely, the future of Silsden may depend on it. Peter |
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| Janey_Jane |
The article is still on the website just moved location: www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/female-staff-had-complained-about-axed-tory-s-behaviour-1-4480622 |
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| ginjo |
the article in question is now in the yorkshire post, I have just read it online so obviously nothing in it which could result in you being sued peter. It was inevitable that information would come out eventually dirty tricks or not there is no smoke without fire. |
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| Peter |
quoteThe article is still on the website just moved location: The Yorkshire Post article is not the same as the post I removed from the forum. |
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| grandad |
Ginjo, You do not know much about chemistry! There is often smoke without fire, |
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| ginjo |
yes I have seen plenty of it when the golf club and the allotments burn their rubbish!!  |
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| localman |
so here we go, he knew why he had been booted out all along so why lie to us all by saying he did not know why? it is now in black and white women complained about his behaviour towards them the saying is so true no smoke without fire and once again the truth is coming out so I ask did skippy and peter also now about the complaints or did he keep them in the dark? just need to know what the women complained about now, could be intresting oh how the mighty fall |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
You have got to ask where the allegation(s) backed up by evidence? Have they been substantiated in any way, shape or form? |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) So have I got this right.Senior staff member(s) made allegations about Mr Naylor but did not follow these up with an official complaint.Based on unproven allegations the Council arranged a meeting to discuss these allegations with Mr Naylor but obviously found nothing or why was no action taken against him.A year later in 2012 the Tories find him guilty (in some sort or secret Tory Court?) and deselect him. The Tories are in a hole and keep digging.The spokesman in the article is in effect,saying Keighley & Ilkley Conservative Association do not believe in the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" or even "innocent until proven guilty of something nobody has officially complained about". The spokesman also says that the selection committee would be aware of the allegations.HOW?.If they have been given any information it would have to have come from someone at the meeting and it would breach The Data Protection Act.My money would be on Tory whip Mike Ellis if I were a betting man. |
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| ginjo |
something must have been going on otherwise why have a meeting with solicitors in attendence, and a document drawn up and signed?It is clear that cllr naylor did probably have an idea as to why he was deselected but for some reason he has chosen not to enlighten anyone.He has probably not done himself any favours by keeping quiet.Politicans - can we trust any of them. The way things are going I might not bother voting on 3rd may. |
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| gazzer |
quotesomething must have been going on otherwise why have a meeting with solicitors in attendence, and a document drawn up and signed?It is clear that cllr naylor did probably have an idea as to why he was deselected but for some reason he has chosen not to enlighten anyone.. If you had not done anything wrong would you rush out to "enlighten" anyone that someone made unproven allegations and your employer carried out an internal meeting to discuss things and decided an investigation wasnt neccesary.Bit of a no-win situation really. |
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| ginjo |
we are talking about an elected councillor this is different to a normal employee |
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| countryman |
Looks like the story goes on. www.ilkleygazette.co.uk/news/news_local/9671770.Adrian_Naylor_denies_claims_about_his_conduct/ www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/archive/2012/04/26/Ilkley+%26+Wharfedale+News+%28ilkwharfe_news%29/9671770.Adrian_Naylor_denies_claims_about_his_conduct/ www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/councillor-axed-by-tories-attacks-cynical-election-ploy-1-4484614 Looks like Cllr Naylor couldn't speak out against the smear because he was covered by a confidentiality agreement most likely to protect the employee. It's obviously just a minor issue someone has blown out of all proportion. I want to know who the Tory spokesman is since no one is admitting to sending it. It's just another dirty tactic as far as I'm concerned. |
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| localman |
just a minor issue someone has blown out of all proportion. is it? we all agree now a meeting took place a women or more than one women complained about his behaviour still all agree? now what can happen when meetings of this sort take place is the smoothing over of the issue ie keep it in house this goes on in business as you all know, he may have agreed to change his behaviour and this was accepted? but in private with mr naylor not in attendance the tory leaders may and I say may have told the women complainant that at the first opportunity they would get rid of him which is what seems to have happened |
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| gazzer |
quotea women or more than one women complained about his behaviour still all agree? That, according to yesterday's Yorkshire Post is not true. An allegation was made, which could have been nothing more than office gossip or whatever but what appears to be fact is NOBODY EVER MADE A COMPLAINT |
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| localman |
YES THEY DID MAKE A COMPLAINT WHY WAS A MEETING HELD? GET REAL YOU NUMPTY |
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| Peter |
Localman Please DO NOT insult other users of the forum. I will not tell you again.  |
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| skippy |
localman are you the tory spokesman  |
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| gazzer |
quoteLocalman Please DO NOT insult other users of the forum. I will not tell you again. I am quite thick skinned Peter, its only words on a forum and people can make their own judgements on people, whether its Localman or myself they judge. |
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| Peter |
I don't care how thick skinned members of this forum are, I expect certain standards when using this forum. Those not abiding by those standards, after a warning, will have to find another platform to air their views. ...and the subject is... |
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| gazzer |
Fair play to local Tory MP Kris Hopkins,Mike Ellis(Tory Cheif Whip on the Council) and Glen Miller(Tory leader on Bfd Council) have according to reports all denied that they had issued the "statement". Hopkins went on to say neither National or Local Tory party were behind it.** Hopkins has also described Counc Naylor as a "hard working and competent member of my executive team".* So who is the mystery spokesman behind the dirty tricks.Could it be another Tory party association?.Or another party? Tom Palmer who wrote the story in the YP must know. I will e-mail him. *source Tom Palmer twitter **T&A |
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| ginjo |
did you get a reply from tom palmer? I doubt he will reveal his sources |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quotedid you get a reply from tom palmer? I doubt he will reveal his sources He replied on Twitter saying he spoke to the Tory party last Tuesday and they stand by the story.Strange answer because I had pointed out what members of The Tory party have said Wednesday onwards.Someone is telling porkies. He also said the name of the "spokesman" is not important so he obviously knows who it is and thinks its not a good idea to name him. If enough people ask him he might reveal all. Tweet him @tompalmer1992 |
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| ginjo |
unfortunately I am not on twitter so can't do that not into tweeting |
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| paperclip |
* So who is the mystery spokesman behind the dirty tricks.Could it be another Tory party association?.Or another party? Tom Palmer who wrote the story in the YP must know. I will e-mail him. *source Tom Palmer twitter **T&A I don't know who that "Conservative Party spokesman" is but I'm the Labour Party one- lucky me,(thin skinned but wearing body armour).I want assure everyone that Labour at constituency and local level decided long ago it wouldn't exploit/get involved in this sad Craven Ward candidate situation. When I moved to /Silsden/Steeton/Addingham/Eastburn 7 years ago I was impressed to find 3 councillors working hard together for the benefit of a patch far from the concerns of Bradford and also on the unfunded edge of Keighley. These guys were all Conservatives but as Peter says, party politics at local level isn't always the main concern. For whatever reason this great councillor partnership didn't hold strong and representation for Silsden, Steeton, Eastburn and Addingham weakened. Please think carefully about voting. We need someone in Bradford with local knowledge and a strong Craven Ward commitment who will be able to link with an established power base and work easily with elected members and council staff. This is NOT a Vote Labour message. I always vote Labour even when I can't be sure quite why. But I'm sure you have long decided election instincts and loyalties too. However, if you'd like to talk to/question Val Carroll, your local alternative, I believe she'll be out and about in Silsden over the weekend (wet suit with red rosette). Peter says he doesn't care who people vote for as long as they vote. I agree with him again. Nearly. |
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| ginjo |
I agree we need someone with a strong craven ward commitment, it would be helpful however if the candidates put some information out! the labour leaflet was all about labour policy nothing much about what they would do for silsden and craven ward,can't remember what tory one said it was so long ago and I have had nor heard nothing from the other three, don't even know who 2 of them are or what they will do to help silsden are none of them bothered about the eastern side of silsden? |
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| gazzer |
quotedid you get a reply from tom palmer? I doubt he will reveal his sources Tom is still sticking to his story and Keighley Tories say it was not from their Association, but they agree with the story. Perhaps it was the Shipley Association?????, who knows.You can only guess when they can't own up. |
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| victor |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) If Mr Naylor is elected as an indipendant,will the accusers still want there pound of flesh ?. |
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| skippy |
victor will mr naylors accusers still have a job watch this space as there could be some very interesting news shortleydirty job politics especialy at ellection time |
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