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Topic : Traffic through Sislden |
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| wahiba |
this post has been edited 3 time(s) It is pretty obvious that the amount of traffic down Kirgate is getting heavier. Being a pedestrian it is not to bad, crossing the road is easy when nothing is moving. However, what are the solutions to the problems? A bypass? A one way system? Traffic lights for alternate directional flow? Road pricing? £5 to enter Silsden  Srrory abount the spelling of Silsden at the top  |
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| pumbajunior |
as long as residents dont have to pay the £5 yes bypass sounds best though were you would have it go i dont know maybe from the top of bolton road it could carry on instead of turning right down bolton road then in between brunthwaite and the cemetary over the canal and down to the aire valley bypass |
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| alan |
Gates at the Cringles, stop them getting to the bypass from Wharfedale........  |
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| pumbajunior |
sounds good |
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| ted |
it shows you how lazy society is when people cant wait a few seconds on the main street. bypass you're having a laugh |
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| alan |
I agree "ted" nowt wrong with the way it is at all. Too many impatient people about these days. We should be pleased we live in a place like Silsden and not have to drive with the inconsiderate numpties that inhabit Bradford and other cities! |
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| Grianan |
It's nothing to do with impatience, more to do with: - making the centre of Silsden a pleasanter place for people to walk about and shop - reducing the car exhaust pollution inan area where there are a lot of pedestrians - reducing the traffic hazards - hopefully moving the 'boy racers' out of the main street - reducing traffic through Silsden so that it can cope with the extra traffic that new housing (eg.Sykes Lane) is bound to generate |
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| pumbajunior |
yup agreed with everything in the post above the main problems as i see them are the volume of traffic/trucks/boy racers who think the 30mph sign is the minimum you should be doing |
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| ted |
so you may have to wait 10 seconds on the main street, who cares, get over it and worry about more important stuff like vandalism. "making the centre of Silsden a pleasanter place for people to walk about and shop" what a joke, a few cars on the road hardly ruins the 'silsden shopping experience' "reducing the car exhaust pollution inan area where there are a lot of pedestrians" so an alternative bypass would erase exhaust pollution would it? "hopefully moving the 'boy racers' out of the main street" its a main street, boy racers are found on every main street in every village in every county, nothing you can do about it. go to keighley, bradford, skipton, leeds etc and look at their traffic problems, most places would envy our main street. talk about something worth discussing |
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| wahiba |
If the traffic going through Silsden is slowed down it does not bother me. It would be nice to have a pedestrianised Kirgate, although difficult with the access needs from it. Mind you that is easy to solve, block it at the duck pond so it is no longer a through route. However, I do not know the best solution for a 'relief road'. It really depends where the traffic through Silsden is going to. If it is towards Skipton then a road from Cringles to Kildwick would be best. If the other way then the other side. Preferred option is to make it so inconvenient for anyone who does not live here that they go elsewhere, or get on a bus. As for the toll idea. I think that there was a toll at Cringles a long long time ago, so it is not exactly a new concept, pay as you go. |
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| coby1 |
A bypass of Silsden was one of the wondeful plans for the town 30 years ago a long with the new school on land still alloted at the top of the park where the rugby pitch was. |
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| alan |
Well said "ted". |
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| arniesarmy |
Hi, new to the post. How about a weight control on traffic, except for loading. Would stop the large artic`s coming through. |
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| hat |
a bypass is neither needed or wanted by the majority of silsdeners. the most recent survey showed most of the traffic was residential anyway so what benefit would a bypass give? the most recent proposed route, which still exists on the UDP by the way, shows it leaving keighley road by the river & continuing up swartha lane to re-emerge just below cringles. if this was ever built you can pretty much guarantee that all the land between the road & the current town boundaries would be in-filled with new build on greenbelt - anyone notice what happened to addingham? the best solution for silsden would be for signs along the trunk road indicating silsden road as being for local traffic only & directing traffic towards skipton & back on the A65 to Ilkley. |
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| alan |
Agreed "hat". |
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| Shabba |
this post has been edited 4 time(s) £5 quid haha i don't mean to be rude but... bugger off? You may be on a nice wage but how do you expect younger drivers to fish out £5 quid every time they want to drive home? Fuel and insurance costs enough as it is without a daily £5 fee. |
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| Grianan |
quote- however a constant stream of cars in my opinion does. quote- read the sentence again Ted, focus on the bit which mentions: "...area where there are a lot of pedestrians" quote- if a bypass was built then a 20mph limit through Silsden would be more acceptable. With suitable enforcement this would discourage people from driving in a dangerous manner through Silsden. quoteI believe it is worth discussing Ted - if you don't agree then please don't bother joining in this discussion. |
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| Grianan |
quoteI must have missed the survey which canvassed the opinion of the people who live in Silsden. When was "the most recent (traffic) survey" then? Where can we find the official information that the survey collected? |
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| grandad |
About fifteen years ago (Just after the lady was knocked down, and killed using the crossing outside the Town Hall), the then Parish council suggested to Bradford Highways department; it would be a good idea to move this crossing further down the road to a spot outside the Post Office, this would give drivers a clearer view when approaching it, the zig zag areas at both sides of it would provide a clear area for large vehicles to pass each other. Bradford sent a team of men here for a week they reported back that most people crossing Kirkgate did so at the Post Office, something we already knew, so Bradford in their wisdom! Put a third crossing outside the newsagents. This sort of response is typical of how Bradford listens to the people of Silsden. |
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| ted |
i've been on the main street 5 times today and not had to stop once, hardly the grounds needed for a bypass. Graianan states "if a bypass was built then a 20mph limit through Silsden would be more acceptable. With suitable enforcement this would discourage people from driving in a dangerous manner through Silsden." surely implementing a 20mph limit would make more sense then building a bypass to go with it. There is no case for a bypass other than a few lazy folk moaning about having to wait 2 seconds to let a car through. |
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| Grianan |
I've now found the "2001 Silsden Survey" on this site at: silsden.net/TDS/TDS_survey/docs/SilsdenSurvey2001_results.pdf which I just do not remember ever having heard of despite living here in 2001 I note that the response to question 19 of the survey indicated huge support for a footbridge over the "Steeton by-pass" (73%) and also significant support (47%) for a Silsden by-pass. (I've not found any traffic survey report yet, although I've found reference to one which indicated that about 10,000 vehicles passed through Silsden every day on average.) |
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| Grianan |
I'm sure you (like most Silsden folk) have more sense than to visit the Main Street when it's busy Ted. However there are times when it gets extremely busy and it becomes less of a village centre for pedestrians to visit the shops and more of a traffic jam with people desperately trying to get to and from work or the schools. The point of a by-pass is to allow traffic that really does not want to travel through the centre of a village to avoid doing so. It would be nice to implement a 20mph limit but to do so without a viable alternative route for through traffic would only increase the congestion. |
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| Fred |
I have read with amazement some of the comments put forward for solving Silsden’s traffic problems. The basic problem is not so much the volume traffic but the fact that it gets gridlocked on Kirkgate, The reason being two lorries cannot pass easily because of all the parked cars. With cars parked on Kirkgate is even difficult for a lorry and car to pass in places. The argument for allowing cars to park is that they slow down traffic and during the day this is certainly the case. The so called boy racers can only practice their skills after shop hours. The argument that all our traffic problems would miraculously disappear with a bypass, I feel, is sadly a misguided dream. The inspector, in the UDP review, came down firmly against building a bypass www.silsden.net/udp/silsdenUDP_RDDP_Inspectors_Report.htm A bypass would be very expensive and would only encourage infill housing which would be self defeating as it would generate more traffic through Silsden. Remember we are taking about 1500 houses on the land between the proposed bypass route and Silsden. That could result in 3000 extra cars! The gridlock caused by the parked cars results in poor air quality in Kirkgate. During the day traffic does not exceed 20mph, it is impossible until the parked cars move. The answer is to keep the traffic moving and this can only be achieved by widening the road to allow two lorries to pass with relative ease – the roadside parking must be restricted. But I hear you say the boy racers would be able to do their thing during the day…. With the parking removed, or at least severely restricted, another way must be found to slow the traffic down and one which will also work after shop hours…. The width of the road should allow two lorries to pass – this can be achieved by making a cycle lane, or better making the pavements wider. A further improvement is to remove the centre line (you probably haven’t come across this one but it is very effective at slowing traffic down because it is like going down a wide single track road and quite disconcerting, but safe because there is space on the nearside and the overall width is wide enough for two lorries). Much of the through traffic is generated by drivers taking a shortcut from the Aire Valley to Warfedale and vice-versa. There is NO NEED for a Tesco lorry to be traveling through Silsden towards Keighley, after all there are no Tesco’s in Silsden. There should be weight restriction notices put up on the Addingham roundabout and similarly on the Silsden roundabout stating the road is “unsuitable for HGV” Unfortunately the Town Council has no remit for roads and Bradford doesn’t consult or listen to them anyway. I note the white and yellow lines have worn out again so cars can park wherever they like and by the new traffic island they can park on the pavement!!! |
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| Grianan |
Thanks for the link Fred - interesting reading. So what is the weight limit on the Clog Bridge? Can it continue to sustain the inevitable damage caused by HGV's? If the bridge has to be repaired at any time the effect on the traffic flow would be enormous! Is it possible for Silsden Town Council to apply for a temporary ban on through HGV traffic to evaluate the effect this may have on traffic flow? |
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| Grianan |
Thinking about it, a "width limit" would be more appropriate... Get those chelsea tractors off our roads!!! |
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| Fred |
Clog Bridge is the Howden Road bridge across the beck. The bridge across the Aire was strengthened a few years ago when the EU allowed 42tonne lorries onto our roads and as it has just been refurbished it will not have any weight restrictions imposed on it for some time to come. |
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| alan |
How can you have a Chelsea Tractor in Yorkshire "Grianian"? They must be Silsden Tractors! |
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| carliol |
"Fred" has hit the nail on the head about Kirkgate, and I have raised this before...the solution is so simple that no one will tackle it...do away with the parking outside the shops near the post office and things will improve dramatically. Trafic will flow at a sensible rate, the 3 pedestrian crossings will slow possible speeders, and pollution will decrease. The parking also encourages people to rush across the road in traffic instead of walking 20 yards to the crossing and someone will get killed one of these days. Maybe then someone will do something! |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) The pedestrian crossings will slow possible speeders "caliol"? I doubt it very much! I have seen numerous near misses on the crossings by half wits in cars! What will it be like if there is no parking to slow them down? You only have to watch the average speed increase when there are no cars parked. I always drive at a sensible speed through the town and the number of numpties who try to climb into my car boot in their impatience is unbelievable! And I won't even mention taxi drivers |
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| Fred |
Alan, my suggestion to ease traffic congestion in Silsden was to severely restrict the roadside car parking, but if that is done the road width must be narrowed to restrict speed and I am not suggesting chicanes - please read my post. |
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| alan |
Not sure why we need to do anything with Silsden at all. I don't find it a problem, and I drive various size vehicles. May have pranged the odd wing mirror over the years and cursed once or twice but I don't happen to think that it's a problem that needs fixing, apart from those that speed! The only thing I'd change is banning HGV's |
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| wahiba |
I notice that no one has stated the obvious. There are to many cars for the roads to cope with. This applies to the whole country, not just Silsden. I have a few solutions: No more on road parking, anywhere. Roads are for traveling on. It would make it easy to create pedestrian only zones and/or restrict through access. Tax large vehicles for individuals off the road. Most people if the majority were not all risk adverse wimps could ride a powered two wheeler, or even one of the new three wheelers. Public transport would soon fill the gap. 24/7 bus service between Keighley and Ilkley would do nicely. The health of the nation would improve substantially. Evidently the obesity epidemic is due to to many people using a car rather than walking. I bet there are people on your street who never walk along it from their house. Will it happen. No chance. Driving is the new religion, and you know what happens to heretics >:  |
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| pumbajunior |
quotenah there much bigger n have straw or evil sharp instruments attached to the back |
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