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Topic : Avoid the Circus |
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| ted |
its a disgrace that they still let animal circus' exist, i hope there is a mass boycott |
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| alan |
So what animals do they have "ted"? |
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| wahiba |
Animals in the circus are no worse off than animals in the home. In fact most are probably better off than the poorly trained and over weight inbred animals we can now see all around us. As a protest against all the hypocrisy and political correctness we have to put up with I will make an effort to go.  |
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| hermione fraggle |
I won't be going. But I am not going to protest either. I don't have a problem with people keeping so called domesticated animals such as cats, dogs, horses. So I would find it hypocritical to protest at "wild" animals being domesticated. |
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| alan |
Well said "wahiba". Until the political correctness brigade is able to prove that this circus is cruel to animals they should refrain from comment. |
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| ted |
what a load of nonsense. are tigers, camels and elephants bred to be kept in cages and perform pathetic little stunts infront of a sad little audience??? i like the fact you have tried to compare these animals to dogs and cats who are bred as pets and naturally live in home environments. alan, whaiba and co, as you dont have a problem with this would you care to come round to my house and i'll pop you into a little cage and beat you with sticks until you do as i say. |
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| alan |
"ted" we're talking about the circus NOW in Silsden. Don't dodge my question. WHAT animals have they? |
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| alliecoward |
the circus issue was on radio leeds this morning and they were asking for opinions from local people about whether or not it should be boycotted. Apparently after investigation the animals they have are horses, a zebra( although on closer inspection it appeared to be a painted horse) and a camel.Don't know who investigated, and the feeling on the radio was .... do not go.it was also reported that the rspca had been down and all animals were o.k i do know however that all primary schools have been given tickets to hand out to the children as mine came home with shed loads. |
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| alan |
Yes "alliecoward" there is a report in the Keighley News. They had the animals grazing in the field, with no "WILD" animals as some would have you believe. I also don't agree with circuses using "wild" animals, but I wish that some contributors on here would check their facts before they condemn everything! As for "ted" caging people, I didn't know such things went on in Silsden! Perhaps I've led a sheltered life!p.s. "ted" I'm still waiting for your answer. The "clue" is in the Keighley News by the way |
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| ted |
alan i owe you an apology, i was under the impression that zebra's and camels were wild animals, but clearly they are not and can be found roaming the streets on a regular basis. please accept my apology. also, i have a question for you, why do you constantly insist on patronising people by writing their names in inverted commas? seems a little strange (dont let this detract you from the real issue of circus shame) |
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| hermione fraggle |
He said it was a painted horse not a Zebra. And I beleive that camels have been domesticated for centuries. If it was proven that they there being cruel to animals, I am sure that the RSPCA would close them down. If you are concerned then call the RSPCA to complain and get them to investigate. |
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| Loafer |
quoteI hope it's not a Lead based paint they used..... |
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| ted |
no hermione he didnt say that, someone else thought it looked like it was painted. The KN confirmed they have zebras so you folks are fast losing the argument. |
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| alan |
"ted" to quote you - "what a load of nonsense. are tigers, camels and elephants bred to be kept in cages and perform pathetic little stunts infront of a sad little audience??? i like the fact you have tried to compare these animals to dogs and cats who are bred as pets and naturally live in home environments" By wild animals I would refer to caged animals. As all the animals this circus has are semi-domesticated and are grazing naturally in the field they didn't look very wild to me. I agree that "wild" animals, i.e. lions, tigers etc should not be used in circuses but you were referring to the circus NOW in Silsden. It would have been nice if you had bothered to get your fact right, then people may agree with you! As for using "ted" in speech marks, is is merely an accepted way of making it obvious who I was answering. Not everyone one here uses a real name, I believe some use several!Chill out "ted" it's only a friendly debate |
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| Peter |
Circus hits back at accusers www.cravenherald.co.uk/news/newsskipton/display.var.1687046.0.circus_hits_back_at_accusers.php |
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| ted |
"alan" are you saying that your definition of wild animals is those that live in cages? Touring circuses may cover thousands of miles a year, carrying animals from site to site in transporters and cages on the backs of lorries known as beast wagons. Moving location each week means they spend most of the year in temporary accommodation. The animals may be confined for hours, even days, in their travelling cages, with their only respite being either limited time in an exercise cage, being rehearsed, or performing. It is impossible for a travelling menagerie to provide circus animals with the facilities they need. Horses and ponies are gregarious animals - extremely social. After being unloaded from their horse boxes or transporters they are often confined in tents, separated from their companions by stalls, which do not allow socialising or mutual grooming. Often horse will be tethered or kept in tiny pens for the entire time they are not performing or rehearsing. If exercise enclosures are provided, these are generally very small - it is unlikely a horse would gallop or really exercise in one. Behavioural abnormalities have been observed in circus horses. Zebras and llamas, will form groups or herds in the wild, but will often be solitary, or just in pairs in the circus. Again, they tend to be penned or tethered, rather than given exercise enclosures. but hey,if the circus says they treat them fairly then it must be true............... |
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| albatross |
Well said Ted. I also am against animals being used in circuses, wild (ie animals that normally live in the wild) or otherwise. "Alan"- your over use of smileys is becoming irritating. I think everyone can appreciate when you are trying to be amusing. |
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| Alan Grop |
These people will look after there animals, i know a teacher who leaves her dogs at home all day while at work, then protest against the circus. |
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| alliecoward |
should there then be bans on, say, riding schools, boarding kennels, catteries etc etc?? just trying to play devils advocate. |
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| clogger |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Bring on the Tigers   |
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| alan |
It's a pity that 'ted' and others don't actually read the posts of others before responding! And I am still awaiting the answers to my question 'ted' that you keep avoiding. This thread was originally about the circus NOW in Silsden, it doesn't have lions, tigers, rhinos, etc that some seemed to suggest. I DO NOT agree in circuses with caged wild animals OR are cruel to animals. But,I would have more respect for some on here if I'd actually seen them stood outside the circus with their placards than merely making their comments on here! The phrase "jumping on bandwagons" seems to spring to mind. One thing that everyone seems to have forgotten or ignored is that Bradford has a policy of what type of circus can perform in the district, I seem to remember. Lastly, for albatross, if you can't debate, don't get personal!  |
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| clogger |
this post has been edited 4 time(s) |
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| pumbajunior |
ted & albatross have you actually been down to the circus to inspect the animals as the circus pr said anyone could do before you make damning remarks it might be best if you went to see for yourself what the conditions are then maybe you can comment |
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| jonno |
I haven't been to see the Silsden circus. I have driven past and seen some animals (looked like horses) grazing. Having been taken to many circuses as a child I now have not much interest in seeing this kind of thing anymore. The fact is that when animals are used in a commerical venture some people will always object. Sometimes this is valid. Some owners will put profit making before the welfare of their animals, others will have a more enlightened view and realise that they need to care for their animals which are the basis of their business. Since the RSPCA have been to look at the animals at Silsden then I'm sure they are adequately healthy. I tend to feel that Circuses are somewhat outdated, especially ones using animals. Ones with all human performers are somewhat better, but still I would suggest the travelling kind are a dying form of entertainment. My wife asked our kids if they fancied going and they said they really weren't interested. And my kids are fairly up for most things... make of that what you want. |
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| jonno |
quoteThanks "Alan" for your contribution, like you I shall excersize my right of free speech and comment as much as I like. |
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| ted |
some fine points there jonno. in response to young pumba, i do not need to go down to the circus and conduct a physical exam on all the animals to know that zebras and camels do not belong in a circus, "but the circus says they look after them and iv seen them eating grass freely in the fields" i hear you all cry... hardly making the case for these wild animals to be carted around the country as part of a commercial enterprise. they dont belong in circuses whether they get treated well or not. END OF. Alan, you claim you'd like to see me down by the circus with a placard but as peters site boats 1000 hits per day i took the option of campaigning on here, (i didnt see you campaigning for votes at the election, but thats a different story...) |
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| alan |
No further comment 'ted' I'm not interested in debating with someone who can't, or won't, answer questions, doesn't get facts before commenting, or gets personal! |
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| alan |
So you don't think you should be able to prove something before making comment 'jonno'? Interesting concept! Let political correctness rule, damn the facts! Like the old journalists saying goes, "don't let the facts get in the way of a good story"! This is my last comment on this thread. |
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| jonno |
quoteNo, actually "Alan" I don't think I should be required to have proof of anything before I share my opinion or comment on something. On the other hand if someone disagrees with my point of view I have no problem with them saying so. If we disagree over a point of fact I may research and share what I've found. If someone has interesting things to say rather than bandying around labels and trying to pidgeon-hole people with 'ad-hom' attacks, then I'll often engage in this wonderful thing called 'debate' with them. You should give it a try sometime. |
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| alan |
quoteI wasn't aware that you had made a comment at the time this was posted! I think if you read the timeline of the posts you will find that it was made after 'ted' made his blanket condemnation of ALL circuses without the facts of this one. Like I said, "don't let the facts get in the way of a good story". Definitely end of thread for me, so feel free to comment |
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| jonno |
So I take it then "Alan" that your comment was only intended to be read by people who had posted previous to you making it and that the rest of us were therefore not allowed to respond? Alternatively do you mean I am free to respond after your post as long as I'm not a member of the 'political correctness brigade'? When I read a thread I read it all and then I may choose to respond generally or to particular posts. Being a frequent user of many other forums (fora?) I find that is how they tend to work. Don't worry, I won't let your spin on the facts get in the way of the actual facts. You effectively told another poster they should shut up. I don't like that and replied to that effect. You didn't like my reply. I'll just have to live with your disapproval. |
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| alan |
Make of it what you like 'jonno' |
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| jojocobbydale |
Perhaps alan is playing devils advocate too? |
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| jonno |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Aaaarrrrgh!!! jojo, you have resurected a very old thread here, in fact you've made it a "thread from the dead". [Jonno, it is now officially a "thread from the dead" - Peter ..... closed! ] |
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