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Topic : Abusive farmer |
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| oilburner |
Would love to find out who the farmer is that has the field with the tree in it at the Jcn of Belton road. This morning he drove his tractor at my 12 yr old daughter in the entrance then shouted verbal abuse at us including a swear word because my dig had a poop in his field. He was driving a tractor with a reg that started W97..... Excuse me but do farmers not spread poo over their fields constantly and he has the cheek to swear at us in front of my kids, then drive away up his field. Too much of a coward to face me !!!! I'm considering reporting the incident to the police with the full reg and even a photo. |
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| original |
I do think the farmer could have dealt with the matter in a better way. However how would you feel if he brought his dog/s to poo in your gardenn or outside your house? Apart from this dog poo is dangerous to farm animals and can make them abort. AS mentioned in the past on this site. For full details research the bacterium. |
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| steetonblue |
absolutely agree, the farmer's reaction was wrong but really, farmers are often grumpy to the public because a lot of us are very disrespectful of their property AND business. Dog faeces carries far more harmful bacteria than "muck" - i wouldn't want it deposited in my garden (and i have a dog), i don't blame him for being upset because you let yours deposit it's load on his land. Please respect farmers land and livings and maybe they will be less rude to us (and no, im not a farmer, just have lived among them for ages and understand their feelings on these matters) |
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| roosterman |
dog muck eaten or licked by a cow/bull/sheep can result in contaminated meat if the animal is for eating,so as for you reporting him he could actually report you for non picking up |
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| PeterJS |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) @oilburner Dog feces can be harmful not only to livestock but to other dogs and children. If the farmer reacted the way you stated I don't agree with his behaviour but I can understand why he would be annoyed. Constantly telling people not to do something no doubt to constantly get the same excuse will do that! The Field on Belton Road with the tree in, this wouldn't happen to be the field with no public footpath through it? @Original, people who let their dog deposit their goods on other peoples gardens is foul and a nuisance. But letting them do it on land which someone uses to earn a living is disgraceful! The farmer on Howden Lane had to cut off the footpath from the rest of the field to try and stop this (doesn't stop people climbing over the fence to let little fluffy off). They even put signs up which some still ignore. Though if they can't pull a bag out and scoop a poop up what chance is there they will use some reading skills? Why is it so hard to carry a few bags and clean up? There are bins everywhere even on the canal path now! |
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| blueglitter |
did you pick up after your dog? |
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| oilburner |
In case you are all wondering yes I did pick it up as I always do so no concerns there. There are ways of talking to people if you have concerns but Driving a tractor at a child then shouting and swearing is not one of them. The. To top it off the coward bully sat up high in his powerful tractor drives away leaving a child upset and a parent wanting his blood. |
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| roosterman |
going back to the farmer who rents a field or 2 top of howden road,yes he as it fenced of,yes he as signs up,but a few days of late last year/early this year he actually had is cows in the bit that is fenced of,so having this sign up was a contradiction in itself,albeit the dog mess still needs picking up |
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| original |
Even if dog owners 'pick it up' there is always a residue and relevant parasites. Why don't people follow the countrycode? and demonstate good parenting??? |
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| oilburner |
Residue my arse.... If that's the case responsible dog owners teaching their kids to clear up after their dogs needn't bother eh !!! |
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| roosterman |
by the way oilburner,dont think that farmer is from silsden,im pretty sure he just rents that land,if its the field im thinking of,is it the field at the bottom of belton road where people were allowed to park there cars when there was a big football tourniment on last year? |
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| PeterJS |
@oilburner & Original: If it is the field I think it is (Belton Road near the eco bouilding society) then there is no public footpath to my knowledge so anyone "walking" their dog there without permission by the owner is tresspassing! Could this be the reason the farmer was upset? I bet you were stood at the gate watching your dog run around then the farmer turned up ("drove his tractor at my 12 yr old daughter in the entrance"), went berserk and nearly ran you over entering the field whilst shouting out expletives before proceeding into HIS field ("then drive away up his field")! It is easy to criticise others when they do wrong but what about you Oilburner? Should you have even been walking your dog there? What did you say to the farmer? |
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| oilburner |
Didn't get a chance to say anything to him. As I said he's sat up in his tractor shouts his torrent of abuse then drives off into the field. To be honest if he'd have got out I'd have prob levelled him as o was so mad at the way he reacted. If I was tresspassing then I would suggest he speaks with his solicitor as this would be civil trespass not a police issue but using your tractor as a weapon by driving it at somebody then abusing them is an issue the police would be interested in surely. |
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| PeterJS |
I still don't know how he would have gone about 'threating' anyone with a tractor. They take ages to start and stop and are slow. Sounds to me the whole driving the tractor at you was for dramatic effect as they aren't that manouverable, fast and can't stop on a tee like a VW Golf can. When someone rants about being yelled at when tresspassing because they were caught I have very little sympathy to begin with let alone because your version of events paint the picture you are totally innocent (not if tresspassing and/ to let dog foul) and the farmer was totally out of line (maybe so if he managed to threaten your daughter with his tractor). It is the few ignorant and arrogant dog owners like that which give the rest of us a bad name then farmers end up trying to discourage access (harder stiles, aggressive livestock etc.) to legitimate footpaths by dog owners. |
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| oilburner |
PeterJS... I see what your doing trying for a reaction from me. What you have to do is look at the facts of what happened and not make assumptions. Tractors of today are road going machines and easily reach speeds of 30mph, they can start stop and manoeuvre far better today than they could back in your day. If your bored Peter google the offence of driving your vehicle at somebody and then abusing somebody in a public place and you'll see they are both illegal. Walking into a field with the gate open with no signs warning members if the public not to be there is not illegal.....It cant even be considered as civil trespass as there are no signs stating that this is private land. |
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| original |
Just because a gate to a field is open does not mean there is a footpath or public right of way through it. Initially you made a wrong decision and you have seen the consequences. Buy a map with all legal footpaths on and save yourself and child a lot of hassle. |
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| oilburner |
I totally agree that I made a bad decision in allowing my dog to enter an open field without signs stating we wasn't allowed in there and then as any respectable dog owner would clean up after it. But does that deserve the reaction we got. Maybe the farmer who's only companions are animals believes that's the right way to speak with normal human beings after all cows aren't going to argue back are they. I suspect that he immediately drove away after his childish outburst as he realised the error of his ways forgetting I wasn't a defenceless animal that wouldn't argue back. |
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| roosterman |
so that means we all allowed to enter your garden with our dogs,let them mess but pick it up,because you dont have a sign up saying that this is private? |
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| oilburner |
Technically yes. Private waste deposited on private land constitutes no offence....google it |
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| pumbajunior |
was the dog on a lead when in the field if not and if it was near livestock he could have shot it |
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| oilburner |
No livestock in the field. Dog was not on a lead, it doesn't have to be on private land only has to be kept under control in a public place. |
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| blueglitter |
no excuse then, you picked it up and didnt scare any of his animals, but even if you did, driving a tractor at a kid? thats just stupid. |
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| bandnwire |
Oilburner, you have admitted that you stood in the entrance to the field with your daughter, and then let your dog off the lead to run round the field. After much pressure you then say that you cleaned up after it had made its "deposit". Sorry but I can't see that you will walk across a field to find where the dog has pooed to clean up. I also believe that you go to this field every day so that your dog can use it as a toilet, with no regard for other peoples property. You have now been told off by the farmer, get over it. |
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| PeterJS |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) @blueglitter it still sounds to me like they were obstructing the entrance and the tractor likely ended up stopping too close to their child. Oilburner no doubt took this as deliberate because the farmer was probably yelling abuse, no doubt they've been finding "residue" from this persons dog every day and finally caught them! Dog's cannot be let off of the lead in public places unless designated dog park. There is no law prohibiting you letting your dog off the lead on private land so long as it doesn't worry livestock. However it is tresspassing and rude to allow your dog to use someone elses land as a toilet without consent from the owner! Some people make arrangements with farmers/ land owners for them to allow them access to private land to let their dog have a good run without interference from other dogs and people! |
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| jonno |
What many people who've posted in this thread seem to be forgetting is that it's still possible to be civil and point out to people that they are wrong or making a mistake without any need to be rude, abusive, aggressive or threatening. (And this applies on line just as much as it does in real life!) |
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| localman |
I would have shot the filthy beast if I had been the farmer  dog s--t all over the pavement up shed side on the pet shop side its disgusting pick it up you dirty sods. |
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| roosterman |
cant be shot at until after its been reported twice for chasing lifestock,then if still attacking on the third attempt you have powers to shoot,thats the law |
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| babba100 |
quoteI would have shot the filthy beast if I had been the farmer dog s--t all over the pavement up shed side on the pet shop side its disgusting pick it up you dirty sods.No need for that!!! I am sure 'oilburner' does not own a filty beast... and its not the dog but teh owner to blame... I think this thread should be closed because everyone is speculating and throwing quite agressive comments about. We were not there, the farmer was probably grumpy and often they are, for reasons right or wrong. I think it sounds harsh the way farmer grumpy reacted but i recall several times being shouted at by a grumpy elder for things i did or didnt do. it is a right of passage. Its life. Live and learn so they say  |
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| Peter |
Enough! Dog owners should clean up after their dog but they should not be running around fields loose where the owners did not have control of the dog. Closed |
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