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Topic : dangerous junction update |
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| ealteacher |
The junction of Howden Road and Kirkgate was discussed last night at the town council. We were told that all representations had been made to those responsible about the junction and the concerns of people in the town. I came away from the meeting with the belief that it's not possible to do anything really. The problems lie in the physical layout of the junction and its relation to other traffic features along a busy route. Further representations were to be made. Any ideas anybody? |
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| hat |
Re open jumping jacks one way only for traffic leaving Howden road might take some pressure off. Would need strict 20mph enforcement through the housing down there. I can't believe lights aren't feasible on the junction though. It's no different to the staggered junction in Otley which is light controlled |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) I was thinking about this one last night after the meeting. I don't think that either traffic lights or mini roundabouts are appropriate. Timed traffic lights, that operate only at peak times maybe. Mini roundabouts are a definite no-no, due to cost, space and effectiveness. Too many people just drive straight over them, with the probability of accidents occurring. Jumping Jack's is a possibility, limiting it to local access. I doubt that a 7.5 ton access only limit on Kirkgate is a good idea, as it will increase costs incurred by hauliers. It is hard to police and could potentially deter future trade. Wagons, generally aren't the issue in my opinion. Bradley, if my memory serves me well, is signed for local access only. How many people still use that as a "rat run" at peak times? How is that policed? Silsden has a high volume of traffic destined for Bolton Abbey, Addingham, Ilkley and beyond. With the report in the T&A that Bradford has been given £500,000 to improve the road network, www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10264111.Bradford_Council_invests___500_000_to_clean_up_district___s_roads/ shouldn't some of the funding come to Silsden? A 20 Mph speed limit, from the Jet garage to Tannery corner, I believe is the way forward. Forget Gatso cameras, introduce average speed check cameras at strategic points. Bolton Road from 1900 onwards is treat like a speed track. Average speed cameras will catch these morons! |
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| Dodzi |
why not solve the unemployment problem at the same time and force them to accompany traffic through the village with red flags - that ought to do it! |
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| pgp001 |
Can someone tell me what the "Jumping Jacks" being referred to is please. Thanks |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
It is the old farm track that goes from Hainsworth Road, under the culvert (currently pedestrianised) down to the gasworks. |
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| dexter |
If you open up that culvert to traffic it would be about a week before someone got killed. Car drivers would not observe any speed limit. Forget such a daft idea. And getting out of Belton Road would take even longer than it does now. |
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| bobber |
let's face it, unless we get a by-pass akin to bingley,addingham,skipton what chance is there in silsden if ilkley can't even get one? and why the hell would we want speed traps (as one poster suggested)when there's no chance of doing more than 10 mph through the town centre at the best of times? |
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| roosterman |
**jumping jacks** is where the beck is under the canal |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
Try standing on Bolton Road any time after 1900, then tell me the traffic is flowing at 10 mph! Average speed cameras wouldn't be appropriate through the town itself, but they would be of use on the approach and exit routes. Speed traps have been set up on both Skipton Road and Bolton Road. Nobody was caught on Bolton Road, presumably due to the time of day, but a few where caught on Skipton Road. On the Guisley - Yeadon road, speed cameras are positioned roughly 100 yards apart for the entire road. I don't know how many of these are actually live and filming, but I have seen a few flash. A cheap, cost effective fix, to reduce accidents/incidents on the Bell Square and Elliot Street junctions, is to reduce speed. Forget any ideas of a bypass, it would take decades to get passed and allegedly, there are no funds available. Making it an access only route would a, be impossible to police, b, take trade away from town, c, reduce future transport budgets for Silsden. |
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| dogcatcher |
putting a 7 1/2 ton limit on the road from addingham roundabout to steeton one would clear large traffic  |
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| pumbajunior |
would that rule you and your tank out doggie i think the 20mph through the center is a good idea also average speed cameras from top of bolton road down to the bypass and also the HGV rat run stpulation also |
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| Bee2771 |
the only way to sort this problem is to stop people turning right from howden road, people turning right block up the road for people wanting to go left. i would also suggest re-opening the "jumping jacks" it was open for years with no problems. |
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| Golden Oldie |
i would also suggest re-opening the "jumping jacks" What a rat run that would be, and very unpleasant for those living along that narrow lane. As for no turning right out of Howden, how the heck will they get to wherever they need to go. Haven't seen anyone being held up by turning traffic, there's enough room to filter left. |
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| hat |
i think a no right turn out of Elliot Street would help, making traffic go down Aire View which also needs to be a one way running the opposite direction to New Road. Right turn into Elliot Street is fine as the main street is wide enough for a filter lane, although adding a marked right turn lane would help here as well as one for right-turning traffic into Clog Bridge. The Zebra crossing needs replacing with a Pelican, timed to a set of lights on the Clog Bridge junction. This also needs moving further towards the Robin Hood as its way too close to the junction right now. Unfortunatley there's no way to put a no right turn on the Clog Bridge exit as there's no other option for the traffic to go up the main street. Lots of little improvements could make a big difference, its a messy junction that can't be solved with one engineering solution |
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| Peter |
quotei think a no right turn out of Elliot Street would help, making traffic go down Aire View which also needs to be a one way running the opposite direction to New Road. Right turn into Elliot Street is fine as the main street is wide enough for a filter lane, although adding a marked right turn lane would help here as well as one for right-turning traffic into Clog Bridge. The Zebra crossing needs replacing with a Pelican, timed to a set of lights on the Clog Bridge junction. This also needs moving further towards the Robin Hood as its way too close to the junction right now. Unfortunatley there's no way to put a no right turn on the Clog Bridge exit as there's no other option for the traffic to go up the main street. Lots of little improvements could make a big difference, its a messy junction that can't be solved with one engineering solution This is all FAR TOO SENSIBLE (and an easy solution) to be implemented.  I would like to add the suggestion that the pavement outside the betting shop is widened to stop through traffic going up Kirkgate from cutting through on the inside of traffic waiting to turn into Howden Road. |
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| hat |
quote quotei think a no right turn out of Elliot Street would help, making traffic go down Aire View which also needs to be a one way running the opposite direction to New Road. Right turn into Elliot Street is fine as the main street is wide enough for a filter lane, although adding a marked right turn lane would help here as well as one for right-turning traffic into Clog Bridge. The Zebra crossing needs replacing with a Pelican, timed to a set of lights on the Clog Bridge junction. This also needs moving further towards the Robin Hood as its way too close to the junction right now. Unfortunatley there's no way to put a no right turn on the Clog Bridge exit as there's no other option for the traffic to go up the main street. Lots of little improvements could make a big difference, its a messy junction that can't be solved with one engineering solution This is all FAR TOO SENSIBLE (and an easy solution) to be implemented. I would like to add the suggestion that the pavement outside the betting shop is widened to stop through traffic going up Kirkgate from cutting through on the inside of traffic waiting to turn into Howden Road. sorry, i propose a flyover!   |
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| aflac99 |
quote quote quotei think a no right turn out of Elliot Street would help, making traffic go down Aire View which also needs to be a one way running the opposite direction to New Road. Right turn into Elliot Street is fine as the main street is wide enough for a filter lane, although adding a marked right turn lane would help here as well as one for right-turning traffic into Clog Bridge. The Zebra crossing needs replacing with a Pelican, timed to a set of lights on the Clog Bridge junction. This also needs moving further towards the Robin Hood as its way too close to the junction right now. Unfortunatley there's no way to put a no right turn on the Clog Bridge exit as there's no other option for the traffic to go up the main street. Lots of little improvements could make a big difference, its a messy junction that can't be solved with one engineering solution This is all FAR TOO SENSIBLE (and an easy solution) to be implemented. I would like to add the suggestion that the pavement outside the betting shop is widened to stop through traffic going up Kirkgate from cutting through on the inside of traffic waiting to turn into Howden Road. sorry, i propose a flyover! would that entail some sort of bypass im all for that only proper solution really |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
I have just found this in the T&A this morning. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10314368.Speed_limit_to_be_cut_in_Harden/ Harden already has a mini roundabout and a couple of pelican crossings. Strange though. I have not heard of any road related deaths in Harden?? I was in Bingley yesterday afternoon on business. I could not help but notice the number of officers on foot round by the school. There was about a dozen officers, standing at various points on the short stretch from the Cattle Market to Castlefields. Yes, there could have been something going down, but it does make you wonder where the priorities are. |
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| old_miner |
The only practical solution (other than a bypass) is traffic lights. A system with automatic traffic monitoring and essential vehicle over riding capability cannot be beyond the wit of current traffic management control systems. |
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| ginjo |
what about a pcso on point duty at peak times |
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| Peter |
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10349726.print/ |
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| Golden Oldie |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) On a personal note, have never seen a near miss on any other crossing than the Clog Bridge one. No doubt there have been incidents so I'll slap my own wrists on that comment. A couple of weeks ago returning from Leeds, I noticed very high signage posts that enable drivers to have advanced warning of lights etc. is it not possible to have such traffic poles here in Silsden, or is yet another instance of Bradford not being on the same wave length as the forward thinking of Leeds. Or are we not a priority that some areas of the Keighley District are? They soon put in traffic calming measures elsewhere. |
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| dexter |
For me, the Clog Bridge crossing is the priority to sort out. However, the whole junction needs action, and lights are the only solution. Many drivers are courteous at the junction, letting cars across, but others are going too fast and need to be slowed down. It's a confusing place for drivers, and some order needs to be imposed on the careless/fast drivers. So....it's lights for me, with appropriate crossings for people. That's the only fair solution all round. But will it happen? |
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| pgp001 |
If we get traffic lights in Silsden you will not need to worry any more about speeding cars, they will all be stuck in a long line back to the by-pass (and probably along it) and doing walking pace at best, remember the gas works !! |
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| Golden Oldie |
Wouldn't have thought that it would be anything like the Gas holdups. In Ilkley, at the first set of lights at Victoria Road, they are on some sort of system that keeps the main road traffic flowing, but kick in when a car wants to come out of V.Rd into the main stream. Surely something like that could work here. It isn't rocket science that tells us something urgently needs doing. |
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