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Topic : Silsden Floods - Boxing Day 2015 'The Pictures' |
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| Peter |
news.silsden.net/pictures/silsden-floods-boxing-day-2015 |
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| gazzer |
A lot of the flooding was preventable..and a lot wasnt. The bridge over the beck(Belton Rd) again proved it cant handle the capacity heavy rain causes, and thats before planned new houses. The park needs sorting so any run off makes the beck without going through houses a couple hundred yards away on St John St Bradford Council are reactive and not proactive Good pictures |
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| midway |
Fantastic pictures Peter, Thank you. A well documented visual collection and indisputable proof of all we have been saying about building in the wrong location, |
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| wheelaman123 |
Very good pictures Peter, just sent them to California U.S.A to my daughter who is on holiday over there with her husband and kids, showing them what they are missing. |
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| Golden Oldie |
Thankyou Peter for posting these pictures. Now who said we don't need the flood barrier!!! It might also be a good idea for Gabion walls the length of the beck from the petrol station downwards as the water that flowed down into the Aldi car park was running down from the side of the factory that sold that land. Also, if housing is passed for Belton Road area, someone will need stringing up, how can anyone justify building on that land, unless of course it is a boat house and jetty. |
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| Mickyfinn |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Golden Oldie, I really am getting fed-up of people who know, it would appear, absolutely nothing about flooding in St.John's Street. Lesson 1: flooding of properties in St.John's Street is as a result of huge volumes of flood water in the beck that breach properties retaining walls or comes through their cellar level walls at the rear of the properties. Residents of these properties can try to protect themselves with pumps, doorway barriers or sandbags. Lesson 2: floodwater runs off the Playing Fields, runs down Mitchell Lane, unfortunately the storm drain at the bottom of the lane has collapsed, consequently, floodwater runs down St.John's Street & is taken away, eventually, by roadside gullies. Floodwater escapes out of the ford at the beck, not much, runs down the street & the gullies cope with it. Water escapes from the walls below the ford, again the gullies down the street cope with the escape. In the meantime, we residents are bailing out floodwater from the beck in our cellars &, with sewage water coming up from inspection chambers at the rear of our properties, this is a disgusting task. Installing a flood barrier will only make matters worse. By preventing natural run-off from the beck by installing a barrier will, in my opinion, consequently result in a higher levels of floodwater in the beck & obviously increase our risk of flooding. Lets get this Monstrosity removed soonest. This thing is a sad joke! properties. |
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| Peter |
The pictures I took this morning clearly show the water coming off the park onto Mitchell Lane. A couple of sandbags at the gap in the park wall effectively directed much of the water into two drains by the gap. The water which didn't go into the drains continued to run to the bottom of Mitchell Lane and should have gone down the drain there, which has an outflow into the Beck. However, water was coming OUT of this drain because it was blocked (the pictures show the blocked drain and the trickle coming out of the outfall). The water continued down St Johns Street where it was diverted with sandbags into a gap in the Beck wall - there is a picture which shows the amount of water going into the Beck, through the wall - this is the amount of water which should have been going through the drain outfall! The drains at the top of Mitchell Lane did stop much of the water run off from the Park from going down Mitchell Lane but this only happened because of some well placed sandbags, and really the water should have been contained in the Park. Although the flood barrier, (if it had been finished would have been used), the Beck water was just above the level of the ford entrance, but I think it had been higher. The water was easily contained with the boards and sandbags. I specifically took pictures to settle the argument about the flood barrier and the reason St Johns Street has been flooded, please look at the pictures on a large screen, the detail is there. news.silsden.net/pictures/silsden-floods-boxing-day-2015 |
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| Golden Oldie |
My apologies Micky finn, I assumed that Peters photos showing the area at the barrier with the boards across was an attempt to keep the road from flooding from the beck, I obviously got it wrong, sorry. After witnessing the deluge I just felt so very sad for the people that may have had their homes at risk. |
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| gazzer |
I think ruling out problems by the ford/flood barrier is a mistake.Its a combination. You cant allow ST John Street to be used as an overflow. The amount it would save from lower down the beck is small in overall terms and could become a torrent when the new houses are built because the beck responds quickly, rising and falling with rainfall.And this event didnt break any records. There are many problems along the length of the beck that require sorting and some cant be sorted. My parents lived where cut Italia is and it flooded in the celler often and im sure it still does.If heavy rain was forcast the brought coal up in advance. They could live with it because it wasnt a habitable room.Its different lower down the beck where people use the cellers daily.Stopping water spilling down St John St will not make it worse. What will make it worse is putting drainage from new houses into the beck higher up. Its important Bradford Council acknowledge previous events and the local MP doesnt think the fact these new commuters that will live in the new houses are acceptable if a bridge is built over the bypass. There are more important infrastructure issues, flooding being one |
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| gazzer |
The good news short term is the rain has almost stopped and tonights peak on the beck of 0.254m was at 9-30, by 10pm it had lowered to 0-221m. |
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| Peter |
AFTER THE FLOODS - PICTURES - 27 Dec 2015 news.silsden.net/pictures/after-the-silsden-floods-27-december-2015 What a difference 24hrs makes!  |
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| midway |
Peters pictures before and after.So who pays for this then?  |
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| wheelaman123 |
Them 2 pictures are months or even years apart..am I right?? |
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| wheelaman123 |
Sorry, I think I read this wrong. |
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| gazzer |
The town is saved the Tories have found a flood expert to stand for Bradford Council Peter Clarke Craven @Peter_Clarke_Cr 12h12 hours ago I will campaign for a coherent strategy on flooding in Silsden and the surrounding area Embedded image permalink https://twitter.com/Peter_Clarke_Cr |
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| paperclip |
Jolly good. Perhaps he'll also campaign for the Tory funding to implement his flood strategy. Meanwhile there's excellent (free) community based clear up/improvement happening. It doesn't get even a mention on S.N. Which seems odd, given the number of residents involved in helping. |
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| gazzer |
quote. Meanwhile there's excellent (free) community based clear up/improvement happening. It doesn't get even a mention on S.N. Which seems odd, given the number of residents involved in helping. Look at this thread again.Peter has posted some more pictures one of which shows the guy who started the clean up yesterday. So rather than knocking people why not invite people to get involved. Not everybody will be aware its started. I am sure some like myself will have seen a poster advertising the clean up to take place on Saturday 2nd January with refreshments at the Methodist Church. |
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| gazzer |
Does anyone know if the building on the corner of St John St/Howden Rd(hairdressers) has flats in the basement?. Just drove past and it looked like wet carpets on the pavement. Curious about Bradford Councils observations on the planning application about flooding I checked the councils website but I can only find mention of the ground floor, nothing about the basement. |
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| midway |
A tweak on your earlier post gazzer hope you don't mind.www.twitter.com/Peter_Clarke_Cr  |
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| Mickyfinn |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) user wiped their message |
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| Mickyfinn |
Gazzer,as far as I am aware around about the time when the Carpet people moved in to the building, conversion work had taken place to provide 4 flats at the upper level. I took a look through the basement windows which had been replaced etc. & saw a new kitchen, through another I saw stacks of rolled carpets. I came to the conclusion that the kitchen & or toilet in an adjacent room was for staff use. However, there may well be a flat down there, just not sure! Years later Chris Atkinson was called in to remove flood-damaged rolls of carpet, & when I spoke to a staff member he told me that a sewer inspection chamber had been discovered under the carpets in the basement & that this had overflowed. I spoke to Yorkshire Water about this recently & they said that there was no inspection chamber in that basement, so, I can only conclude that if there had been one there it had maybe been sealed. |
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| gazzer |
quoteA tweak on your earlier post gazzer hope you don't mind.www.twitter.com/Peter_Clarke_Cr Thanks,,,I must learn to post pics Those there today are doing a fantastic job |
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| ginjo |
when I walked past at lunch time I looked over the bridge and there was a window open looked like the basement of the old carpet shop, and a hose pipe hanging out of it with water going into the beck, it has been flooded |
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| Peter |
Some of the damage along Silsden Beck must have been caused by the lack of maintenance over the years... the large cut logs and fallen trees, the large lumps of stone left from previous flood which change the water course, they all have the potential of making the Silsden Beck floods much worse. Remember how long we were without a footbridge to the park! A few pictures to think about... Would we still have a bridge across from St Johns Street to the Post Office if the 21' log had not been removed?   |
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| hillbilly |
We had a visit by three environmental agency officers to Silsden today all the way from Northampton asking questions taking photos and notes of the damage caused by the flooding from the beck, So maybe we have a bit of extra help on the way ??? |
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| midway |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) hillbilly in a previous post you stated" quote posted by gazzer quote posted by Mickyfinn Gazzer, do you think there is any truth in the rumours going round that the quite noticable sudden rise in water level in the beck could be attributed to the automatic release of water from the reservoir sluice? gazzer i think you have hit the nail on the head i was up at the reservoir yesterday around 1.30pm and the sluse was like white water rapids and i was told it was twice as bad early morning" so can i ask did you inform the environmental officers of your observations regarding the sluice gates being opened intermittently? |
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| hillbilly |
Yes middy i told one of the officers about the sluice gate at the resevoir, And well still on the subject of SLUICE, gazzer was the only one to get the spellimg correct well he was untill you edited your post middy WELL DONE GAZZA my faith in south craven school has just been restored, The three officers next port of call was the resevoir and then on to the bit of wall, footpath and road that has dropped in to beck at the bottom of Bradley road and then they were going to have a look at the damage down by Aldi |
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| hillbilly |
this post has been edited 3 time(s) Middy trying to get the video's of the resevoir sluice gate in flood sent to you from a third party in the hope you will be able to post them on silsden.net, But it may take some time to come through to you as there are three video's in total !!! |
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| Spanish Omelette |
Time to batten down the hatches once again!! Hurricane Frank is on its way! |
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| ginjo |
Have any of our councillors shown their face during or after the flooding? thought they might have been out and about showing support and helping, nothing in the t&a about silsden, lots of pics of other areas, no comments from our ward or town councillors, not very good when the town mayor prefers to go fishing |
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| midway |
So who was that clearing rubble on st Johns st this morning? O yes the same chap who cleared the fallen tree out of the beck. |
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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteHave any of our councillors shown their face during or after the flooding? thought they might have been out and about showing support and helping, nothing in the t&a about silsden, lots of pics of other areas, no comments from our ward or town councillors, not very good when the town mayor prefers to go fishing District and town councillor Adrian Naylor, who was at the scene this morning, said: "A crack about 30 feet long has appeared in the road, which has subsided by about a foot. "Water has undermined the beck wall and that could wash away. "I was on the phone for 35 minutes this morning trying to get through to the Bradford Council emergency number but couldn't. "I'm concerned about the potential danger of part of the road going into the beck." He was later told that the council had run out of sandbags by 8am. goo.gl/wL0iDn |
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| gazzer |
quoteHave any of our councillors shown their face during or after the flooding? thought they might have been out and about showing support and helping, nothing in the t&a about silsden, lots of pics of other areas, no comments from our ward or town councillors, not very good when the town mayor prefers to go fishing And some joker from Haworth who wants to be a Craven Ward Tory councillor in May has been posting pictures of himself on Twitter in flooded Silsden peaching how we need a floos strategy and he will campaign for one. Two questions 1,Why not stand in his home town for the council 2,Why not campaign for a flood strategy for his home town, which suffered worse than Silsden. |
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| Peter |
quoteHave any of our councillors shown their face during or after the flooding? thought they might have been out and about showing support and helping, nothing in the t&a about silsden, lots of pics of other areas, no comments from our ward or town councillors, not very good when the town mayor prefers to go fishing On Boxing Day when I was taking pictures of the floods I spoke to Chris Atkinson, who was checking on the damage and I saw Adrian Naylor. Of course I didn't see #WheresJack or never to be seen 'unless there is a photographer from the newspaper' Mr Mallinson. If you look at the photograph on Silsden News you will see Adrian Naylor  I wasn't there, but I think Chris Atkinson was..... where were you Ginjo? |
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| hillbilly |
quoteHave any of our councillors shown their face during or after the flooding? thought they might have been out and about showing support and helping, nothing in the t&a about silsden, lots of pics of other areas, no comments from our ward or town councillors, not very good when the town mayor prefers to go fishing Hey ginjo and were was you probably sat at home again with your foot in your mouth !!! |
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| pumbajunior |
quote quoteHave any of our councillors shown their face during or after the flooding? thought they might have been out and about showing support and helping, nothing in the t&a about silsden, lots of pics of other areas, no comments from our ward or town councillors, not very good when the town mayor prefers to go fishing On Boxing Day when I was taking pictures of the floods I spoke to Chris Atkinson, who was checking on the damage and I saw Adrian Naylor. Of course I didn't see #WheresJack or never to be seen 'unless there is a photographer from the newspaper' Mr Mallinson. If you look at the photograph on Silsden News you will see Adrian Naylor I wasn't there, but I think Chris Atkinson was..... where were you Ginjo?Adrian is the one in black to the left of Spongebob i saw chris atkinson on the green tractor pic he also removed the big log with his machines |
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