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Topic : Accident on bottom of bolton road |
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| Cobbydale fruits |
Another accident at the bottom of bolton road where purple garlic is... luckily no one seriously hurt, this time. A bmw was coming through town and up towards addingham and a berlingo (i think) pulled out. there was no obstruction on bolton road conceiling her view but i think she got sick of waiting.... I spoke to some older customers of mine and frankly they are scared of crossing the road here. the library is here and they have to walk all the way down to the crossing in town to safely cross. Something has to be done about this. They said the are scared of using the crossing on the corner because it has raised pavements in the middle and afraid if they trip they will end up in the middle of the road. I am not sure how to go about getting attention drawn to this issue... its like when you know there is something bad thats looming around the corner but dont know what to do about it. Any comments on this issue and how we can organise something to atleast slow the traffic down. a zebra crossing or pelican crossing maybe?.... |
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| old_miner |
The problem crossing there is people are not prepared to wait for a gap in the traffic. Even at the busiest times there are always gaps. Traffic tends to bunch, so the gaps bunch as well. Interestingly I have observed a lack of patience in the old as well as the young. Just stand back at a pelican crossing and observe those who cross before the light goes to green. Where there is no regulated crossing naturally a bit more patience is needed. |
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| Peter |
There can be a blind spot turning right out of Bell Square onto Bolton Road. Cars coming round from Kirkgate can be hidden behind the RHS door pillar (on some cars) for a second. If that second is the decision time to pull out an accident may occur. I have seen at least three similar accidents at this junction. A mini roundabout is probably the only solution, ie make the traffic coming up from Kirkgate, and the traffic coming down Bolton Road slow down and give the traffic coming out of Bell Square a chance. Of course a mini roundabout will never happen - it's too sensible. |
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| pgp001 |
Mini Roundabouts are OK up to a point, but how many times do you get to one only to find every car has completely stopped, and all the drivers are looking at one another wondering who should go first. It seems like people do not understand mini roundabouts, and do not realise they are supposed to work just the same as full size ones. I use the one leading into Snaygill Industrial Estate in Skipton every day, and to be honest it is downright dangerous at times. |
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| Cobbydale fruits |
I think a set of lights will be the best way, it will stop traffic building on bell square side, and on top of the pedestrians will have a better chance at crossing the road aswel, there is a problem with a lack of decent crossings on this side of town aswel. |
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| gazzer |
Peter is spot on with this matter. But also if your the second car waiting to pull out of Bell Sq, when the car in front pulls out you roll forward to the junction. As you look down Kirkgate you dont see any cars that are by the Chigago Hut. For some reason your vision takes in around the traffic island and below. I know it happened to me but I saw a car on second glance so stopped. It was as if it came from nowhere. Traffic lights are a non starter on cost if nothing else. The police could ask the council but the traffic officer I spoke to said cars should give way. A mini roundabout is perfect and would stop traffic speeding too. However I think it will take a fatality before anything is done. Then the Council will listen to a coroner saying the road engineering needs sorting. |
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| pumbajunior |
same here Gazzer i nearly had a crash there i always look two or 3 times now |
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| Peter |
It could all be sorted in about an hour and a pot of paint.  BUT you just know it will be debated to death, and someone will be killed before anything is done.I'm such a cynic but then I've been here before... |
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| grandad |
The problem at this junction is the same one at every other so called dangerous bit of road,BAD DRIVERS! The two main ingredients that make for safe driving are observation and concentration. |
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| gazzer |
quoteThe problem at this junction is the same one at every other so called dangerous bit of road,BAD DRIVERS! The two main ingredients that make for safe driving are observation and concentration. Your second sentance which contradicts the first is correct. The "main ingredients" are as you say but not exclusive ingredients. Sometimes its bad road engineering |
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| Peter |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteThe problem at this junction is the same one at every other so called dangerous bit of road,BAD DRIVERS! The two main ingredients that make for safe driving are observation and concentration. Spoken from the lofty position of a 4x4 driver, you should look from the viewing angle of a lowly standard car driver. The fact that there have been so many accidents at this junction tells me there is something wrong with the visual sight lines when turning right out of Bell Square. I was actually a witness to one such accident - the driver (who caused the accident by coming out of Bell Square when a car was coming from the Kirkgate direction) - said "I just didn't see the car". |
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| dogcatcher |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) sat on the seats at the bottom of bolton road for an hour(retired folk can do that)i watched the traffic and noticed that as soon as cars gets sight of the long stretch up bolton rd they put their foot down,and a lot speed up again coming down after the flashing 30mph warning sign ,we need traffic calming somewhere on this stretch of road or a crossing from outside the king or lower down over to the library and memorial gardens and now when the bandstand opens up more people will be crossing there. |
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| ginjo |
I am not sure another crossing would help, we have three already and you take your life in your hands using them.Traffic lights seem to be the best option or a one way system, anyway, its all been debated before so I doubt anything will change |
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| victor |
Most of us know there is a problem getting out of Bell square."SO WHY DONT WE ALL BE MORE CONSIDERATE TO OTHER ROAD USERS AND LET TRAFFIC OUT".If you are in a line of traffic it costs you verry little to let one or two cars out." AND IT COULD SAVE LIVES" |
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| old_miner |
Patience. Better late and alive than dead on time. |
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| grandad |
Peter, the lofty position I have in a 4 X4 might help? But the thing which helps me the most is that I also ride a motorbike, and one mistake on one of them and it might well be your last, so I follow the advice given to me by my father when I first rode a bike, “If there is something to be done, Make sure you are the one who does it, and NEVER but the bike somewhere you haven’t already been with your brain” |
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| dogcatcher |
another accident this morning at bottom of howden rd, a fiat with its front crashed in at side of road  |
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| roosterman |
another crash by kings arms pub again i see bout 2 hours ago |
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| dogcatcher |
quoteanother crash by kings arms pub again i see bout 2 hours ago yes involing 5 cars im told |
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| gazzer |
quoteThe problem at this junction is the same one at every other so called dangerous bit of road,BAD DRIVERS! The two main ingredients that make for safe driving are observation and concentration. Its strange how most of the area's "bad" drivers seem to end up at this junction. |
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| jonno |
Although I do sympathise with anyone who has a crash, it is at the end of the day down to careless or rushed driving. Set off a few minutes earlier and let yourself have time to look twice. Turning right out of that junction you should look right, left and right again and then only pull out if it's safe to do so. Yesterday I saw a young lad, who didn't look like he came from around here (if you get what I mean), come up to the junction, cig in one hand other hand on steering wheel, barely glanced either way, hardly slowed at all, pulled out (right turn) cutting the corner like he was a flipping bus or something and made a car by cobblydale fruit n veg pull up sharply and when they beeped him he just laughed and drove off. You can't blame the corner for idiot drivers. |
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| Peter |
quoteIts strange how most of the area's "bad" drivers seem to end up at this junction. Gazzer has a point, even the bad drivers have to be protected from themselves. Something should be done about this junction. Most of the accidents are minor (no one is injured so the police are not aware of the accident). Perhaps a survey should be carried out to quantify the problem and perhaps instigate an investigation to find out why all these "bad" drivers have a problem turning right onto Bolton road. |
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| gazzer |
quoteAlthough I do sympathise with anyone who has a crash, it is at the end of the day down to careless or rushed driving. Set off a few minutes earlier and let yourself have time to look twice. Or it could be bad road engineering. Not every junction is the same. Thats why we have "give way" junctions and "stop" junctions. |
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| Cobbydale fruits |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) at this juction i hear three to five beebs daily, everytime i hear a beeb i wait for a crash noise.... and it will happen if it aint sorted. someone mentioned about not seeing the cars between the bottom corner and the junction and its true, the other day i pulled up, looked both sides and was about to pull out and it was my final look that saved me.... i was shocked that i didnt see the car in between the corner and the junction.... Its not always down to bad drivers... the road planning matters aswel. plus we are still forgetting the pedestrians, i cant believe some of the speeds that the cars do on this road, some of the trucks are bad aswel... how is anyone supposed to cross the road... there is a library and a small park across the road, plus the skate park behind that... kids cross here all the time and they really do run across the road..... |
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| roosterman |
i live near to bottom of bolton road,cobbydale,you was just stating about some of them speeding,geeeeez you seen the speed of them police cars when they going to a call out,im not kidding you,must be approaching 100mph going down past you,anybody whose slow at walking and cant just the speed right of them coming down have got to be goners |
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| Cobbydale fruits |
have you noticed how the ambulances dont know their directions... they drive up bolton road and i think miss the turning and then its all the way back down bolton road... at first i thought it was a different ambulance but this happens regularly now..... can you imagine the effect of this on the person that called them out.... every second makes a difference...... |
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| Peter |
Please keep this thread on topic, it's too important a subject to get diverted. Thanks. (If you want to discuss the speed of traffic on Bolton Road start a new topic please). |
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| Cobbydale fruits |
does anybody know the formal procedure to get something done about this junction... something has to give... and whilst typing this there has been another beeb outside.... |
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| grandad |
I presume by hearing a beeb you mean somebody is sounding their horn? Perhaps if they were to put their foot on the brake instead of their hand on the horn, the collision could be avoided! If there is anything that needs to be done, make sure you are the one who does it, don't rely on the other person. |
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| Peter |
ANOTHER ACCIDENT on the junction of Bell Square and Bolton Road this morning. How many more collisions must we have here before someone is killed or seriously injured? |
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| angusmecoatup |
Another one this morning |
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| Peter |
quoteAnother one this morning This is what I put in my post at 7am - do you have more details? |
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| dogcatcher |
quoteAnother one this morning where u up late angus peter had this on at 7am ish,too many late nights |
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| angusmecoatup |
Did not see it, noise of impact woke me up |
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| nabend |
Bring back the roundabout! |
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| Peter |
this post has been edited 3 time(s) quoteBring back the roundabout! But all we need this time is a pot of paint. The roundabout you are thinking of was at the bottom of Briggate   |
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