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Topic : A blot on the landscape |
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| Fred |
This cartoon sums up my view of wind power quite nicely. The Government is proposing to build 6000 extra wind turbine onshore with the quote "We need to change the default position so that people will come to understand the dangers of climate change to our beautiful countryside". Ed Miliband must be a city dweller because there is nothing beautiful about a wind turbine... and where do you think the wind farms will be sited? I wouldn't mind so much if they mentioned they were putting resources into developing tidal power, but they are pushing wind power (is someone getting a backhander?). Tidal power is a predicable source of energy which occures twice a day. A turbine cluster in the Solent and the Severn Estuary could generate enormous amounts of power and you wouldn't even know it was there! I fear we are doomed to have many blots on our lovely landscapes.  |
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| partygirl |
Personally I would rather see wind turbines than pylons anyday!!! I would have one in my garden if I could!!!! |
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| grandad |
We all should be doing what we can to reduce our dependence on fosil fuels, wind should only be a part of it, I have solar panels which are providing us with all the hot water we need at present our gas boiler had been turned of for weeks now, so we will also be saving money on the gas bill. |
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| Fred |
Windfarms would require pylons to connect any power generated when the wind blows to the grid - more blots on the landscape. You might think a wind turbine on your chimney is a good idea but would your neighbour? Try doing some calculations of how much it costs and how long you would have to run it before you break even, it may surprise you. Micro generation using solar panels / air / groundsource heat is the way to go. We should all be generating some of our own power, but wind farms are just environmentally unfriendly. |
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| wahiba |
Once upon a time Silsden had its own gas works. Why not its own mini nuclear power station? PS: Please, only critise with a technical argument. I know it seems an off the wall suggestion, but in the future? |
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| alan |
Wind turbines for me, if you want nuclear wahiba live at Sellafield of Dungeoness! |
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| bogtoss |
blot on the landscape? its houses that are the blots on the landscape and us the human race? there are to many humans on this planet  the weak are kept alive the dying are kept alive the old are kept alive nature throws swine flu at us it natures way of trying to cut the human population down to size be we fight it? one day the big one will come it has to for all of us to survive this is a fact the oil the gas will run out soon then what world war the arab nations will be smashed into the ground as America China and Russians fight for the last dregs of oil so if its wind turbines we need we have to have them but one day nature has to be allowed to take its course its last attempt was aids but we in the west more or less got control of it this is a stone cold fact in twenty years there will be to many humans and not enough resources |
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| alan |
You been at wahibas pills bogtoss? |
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| Fred |
You have missed my point. We should be investing in tidal power which would generate power every day. (These are turbines which sit on the sea bed on areas where the tidal current is strong). We should not be bowing down to the subsidised option (paid for by us) of wind power which will only generate electricity if the wind is blowing. Wind power needs a backup of coal or nuclear power stations - so what is the point of building wind turbines which are inefficient, have to be sited in inaccessible areas and despoil our lovely countryside. To get the power they generate will require pylons to feed into the national grid, more blots on the landscape. During the three week cold snap this year where would the power have come from if we only had wind power? - there was no wind just when we needed the power. Wind turbines are "sold" to us as the only way to generate "green" energy, they are not! They are just another cash generating business which the government can use to extract a bit more money from us. Notice how be are being softened up to expect electricity price increases because of the "green" agenda. |
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| wahiba |
Nuclear energy is only considered bad because of the relationship to bombs. In terms of pollution it is no worse than coal. As for the waste. Well most of the waste is radioactive and as it decays gives off heat, so it seem logical that in the future the decomposition of said waste is speeded up to get the last once of energy out it. Bit like all the old coal tips were sieved for coal, quite a lot in the tips it turned out, and then the rest went into foundatins and breeze blocks. Trouble with wind and tides is the fact we are at their mercy. We have no control. In lieu of my micro nuclear power plant in every home the other centralised system to be tried out is mirrors in space beaming down focused radiation from the sun. But I think we something before then. I reckon a nice power station failure on a cold windless night in the middle of winter will tip the balance. Instead of ten years to build a nuclear power plant it will be up in a couple of years. You can all dream of windmills in someone elses back yard of course but really they are not up to the job. |
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| alan |
What about the MANY tons of waste, including lab coats etc etc, that have to be buried at places like Drigg wahiba? Didn't they rename Windscale for PR reasons because of the many leaks? In those days the police there were armed to keep normal people out, as they are now to keep terrorists out! No silly visitor centre then! Like Fred says, sea power, and wind power is the way to go....... |
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| Fred |
wahiba, do not confuse tidal power with wave power. Tides happen twice a day and at different times around the country. The tidal race between the Isle of Wight and the mainland, and in the Severn Estuary is a force to be reckoned with. If you must build coal fired power stations (or nuclear) at lease make them more efficient by building them near housing or business so that the waste heat can be used. |
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| bandnwire |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) quoteWe all should be doing what we can to reduce our dependence on fosil fuels, wind should only be a part of it, I have solar panels which are providing us with all the hot water we need at present our gas boiler had been turned of for weeks now, so we will also be saving money on the gas bill. I agree with you about the solar panels, we had them installed 30 years ago and they make a tremendous difference to your bills. I think that all builders should be forced to put them in every new house that they build. |
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| tetleydrinker |
Wahiba, Tell your story to the residents in and around Chernobyl, Three mile Island or Sizewell |
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| carliol |
I read somewhere that the entire nuclear waste produced in UK each year would fit in to a London taxi, sounds not too bad to handle. I back nuclear (the French have got it all sussed out), just wait for a few years and our lights will start going out.....too late then to sort it out! All the wind power in the world will not cook our bacon and eggs in the morning, it will be back to Corn Flakes in the dark! |
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| alan |
quoteI read somewhere that the entire nuclear waste produced in UK each year would fit in to a London taxi, sounds not too bad to handle. I back nuclear (the French have got it all sussed out), just wait for a few years and our lights will start going out.....too late then to sort it out! All the wind power in the world will not cook our bacon and eggs in the morning, it will be back to Corn Flakes in the dark! Think that's PR spin! Sorry don't think, KNOW! That maybe the true waste from fuel rods, BUT what about all the ancilliary waste, clothing, etc. etc that's buried? |
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| Peter |
I think this is the power generating calulation program the government uses for future power requirements: news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/electricity_calc/html/1.stm  |
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| wahiba |
Spin works both ways. The volume of high level waste is very small. Also as it is quite radioactive it is the waste most likely to used for energy production in the future. The low level waste is just that. Much of it is minutely above natural background radiation. No one live around Chenobyl anymore. Interestingly the area is regularly checked and the animal population is doing quite well. Nothing ever leaked out of Five Mile Island. The problem was safely contained. All the safety systems worked. The locals around Sizewell are quite happy. At least the power station guarantees long term employment and there is not likely to urban sprawl. Bit like Dungeness. No one has moved away from there and the little railway still runs. Hydro-carbons like coal and oil can be put to much better use than being burnt. Radioactive substances have only one practical use and that is being burnt in a nuclear reactor. My personal opinion is that future generations will look back on the widespread 'fear' of nuclear energy the same way as we look back and wonder about peoples fear of 'witches'. |
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| tetleydrinker |
Wahiba, I know who you are, and I am going to out you live on the Silsden.net web site............ |
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| tetleydrinker |
Wahiba's real name is Montgomery Burns from Springfield ! Next week we will unveal the identity of the Stig  |
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| alan |
quoteSpin works both ways. The volume of high level waste is very small. Also as it is quite radioactive it is the waste most likely to used for energy production in the future. The low level waste is just that. Much of it is minutely above natural background radiation. No one live around Chenobyl anymore. Interestingly the area is regularly checked and the animal population is doing quite well. Nothing ever leaked out of Five Mile Island. The problem was safely contained. All the safety systems worked. The locals around Sizewell are quite happy. At least the power station guarantees long term employment and there is not likely to urban sprawl. Bit like Dungeness. No one has moved away from there and the little railway still runs. Hydro-carbons like coal and oil can be put to much better use than being burnt. Radioactive substances have only one practical use and that is being burnt in a nuclear reactor. My personal opinion is that future generations will look back on the widespread 'fear' of nuclear energy the same way as we look back and wonder about peoples fear of 'witches'. Wahiba King of Spin  The low level waste can cause cancers that's why they bury it! The high level just kills quicker and more spectacularly! Glad to hear that the animals around Chenobyl are doing well, 'cos the humans ain't! Including those half way across Europe who were affected. |
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| alan |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Sizewell residents happy wahiba? Bet they're absolutley delerious: - No urban sprawl, Sizewell C? news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4509809.stm www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2009/may/19/sizewell-suffolk-travel-nuclear-power Drigg closer to home, this site also, I believe stores, older higher level waste! www.youtube.com/watch?v=49_IU4wzVG8 |
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| HB |
I agree with you about the solar panels, we had them installed 30 years ago and they make a tremendous difference to your bills. I think that all builders should be forced to put them in every new house that they build. if all new houses had to be build with solar pannels then the cost would come down. i would love to fit either solar panels or a wind turbine i think they look good but i dont think they are economically viable or the town council would let us. |
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| alan |
quote I agree with you about the solar panels, we had them installed 30 years ago and they make a tremendous difference to your bills. I think that all builders should be forced to put them in every new house that they build. if all new houses had to be build with solar pannels then the cost would come down. i would love to fit either solar panels or a wind turbine i think they look good but i dont think they are economically viable or the town council would let us. Think you'll find that on the majority of single dwellings planning permission is not required for solar panels. |
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| wahiba |
Bet they're absolutley delerious: - The article in the Guardian you link to suggests they are. No problems at Sizewell. |
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| alan |
quoteBet they're absolutley delerious: - The article in the Guardian you link to suggests they are. No problems at Sizewell. And how many houses are there at Sizewell? No comments about the so called 'low level' waste at Drigg Wahiba? All that has changed there in the past ten years is that the waste is now sored in steel shipping containers and buried! |
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| wahiba |
And the waste will no doubt be recycled in the future as technology moves on. The same as happened with all the pit heaps that went as soon as money could be made out them. Sizewell sounds a nice place. No neurotic riff raff worrying about the end of the world. Wonder what house prices are like. If it is like Dungenss they will not be low. |
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