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| gazzer |
this post has been edited 1 time(s) Anyone remember Mr Mallinsons promise as part of HIS plan to sell the library building and move it to the Town Hall. He told us it would be a better library service Councillor Andrew Mallinson, who sits on the steering group, said: “It’s unfortunate that it has to be closed for 13 weeks, but the finished product will be more accessible to people and Silsden will have a better library service. It will be a building more fit for the 21st century. But now that "better" service actually see's the library under threat if volunteers do not step forward. Not a word from Mr Mallinson about it now!! Well done to local(the only local) councillor Mr Adrian Naylor who has stepped forward to clear up his mess. A CAMPAIGN to find volunteers to take on the running of Silsden library could begin in the New Year. Efforts will be spearheaded by town and district councillor Adrian Naylor, who already has several years’ experience leading Addingham’s community library team. |
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| victor |
It is completely irrelevant as to where the library is, what is important is that they will need volunteers. By always putting down anything to do with the Town Hall you will put off people from volunteering and the library will close. |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
quoteIt is completely irrelevant as to where the library is, what is important is that they will need volunteers. By always putting down anything to do with the Town Hall you will put off people from volunteering and the library will close. Given that the former town hall is not fit for purpose, this has more than likely been the plan all along. I saw this coming from day one. I have made no secret of it. This is quite probably why neither Rikkard or Mallinson have been seen in Silsden? |
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| gazzer |
quoteIt is completely irrelevant as to where the library is, what is important is that they will need volunteers. By always putting down anything to do with the Town Hall you will put off people from volunteering and the library will close. It is of course your right to think there is nothing wrong with politicians promising something which turns out to be false. |
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| old_miner |
Is the Town Hall not fit for purpose, or the town hall not fit for purpose as a library? |
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| victor |
The point is the library is where it is, and if you want it to stay open it needs volunteers. Sometimes I think some people want it not to stay open just so they can blame brad met. If it was in the old building they would still need volunteers, that is the point. |
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| HurricaneHector |
quoteThe point is the library is where it is, and if you want it to stay open it needs volunteers. Sometimes I think some people want it not to stay open just so they can blame brad met. If it was in the old building they would still need volunteers, that is the point. So YOUR name will be first on the list, will it? |
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| jonno |
Maybe, if Bradford hadn't (over)spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on the town hall refurb there might be money to pay librarians, just a thought. |
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| old_miner |
First of all I think the Town hall looks pretty good after the refurbishment. As for the library? Well in terms of research the internet has more or less made a general reference library redundant. As far as real books it would be interesting to know who borrows and what they borrow. Books are just one of the many forms of information media now available for everyone. Popular and best selling books are relatively cheap and readily available. E books have audio and facilities to increase print size so provide the visually impaired with a greater selection than ever before. Also all the wannabe DIY publishers means our reading choice is no longer controlled by a small publishing clique. It is sad to see local libraries disappear, but times they are a changing. |
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| grandad |
The times might be changing? but as far as I can see not for the better. Not everybody can afford computers or even so called cheap books, a free library is the only place they can got to get information and education outside school. |
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| grandad |
Victor, why don't you answer the question? |
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| HurricaneHector |
If this call for volunteers fails, Will Bradford be reinstating the Town council chamber? |
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| gazzer |
quoteIf this call for volunteers fails, Will Bradford be reinstating the Town council chamber? Doubt it. That was part of the Mallinson master plan because his running mate lost an election or two to Town Council members! |
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| paperclip |
Hope that volunteers will come forward to man/woman Silsden library. While everything people say about reference info being available on the internet and e books etc is true there's still an important social aspect to a library. Chance to read the papers and maybe have children's story hour/ book club etc. But what I don't understand is why some still insist the TH is not 'fit for purpose'. With a friend I did 2 Table Top Sales to support Friends of the Town Hall before Christmas. Beautiful building. Lift and disabled loo with perfect, easy access, Fantastically good kitchen/ café area and top floor performance studio. Check it out! |
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| gazzer |
quotedisabled loo with perfect, easy access, According to Bradford Council they couldnt meet Document M to make the ground floor WC DDA Compliant. Its not about how it looks. If anybody else wanted to avoid meeting building regs the council would not pass off as complete, but when they police themselves they can do what they want!! |
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| Fred |
Easy access? I noted the parking opposite the TH on the day before the table top sale started, some were parked on the crossing warning lines! |
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| gazzer |
Well three weeks after the news became available the man who worked with Bradford Council to downsize the library with a promise of a better library has popped up in the paper blaming his partners in the Town Hall project(Bradford Council). m.cravenherald.co.uk/news/14216547.Friends_might_have_to_take_on_administration_of_Silsden_Library__warns_councillor/?action=success#comment_15243083 |
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| HurricaneHector |
So, when will Mallinson be in the library working? |
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| gazzer |
Apparently we should not be hostile to Bradford but should have a chat about issues. Well thats according to Paperclip on another thread. This is Bradfords idea of sorting things. A short notice meeting at Keighley Library TODAY at 6pm for 1 hour..dont forget when its gone its gone. A DECISION to allocate only one hour for a meeting on the future of four Bradford Council libraries has sparked protest by some councillors. The Labour-controlled authority is proposing that all bar seven libraries will be either be closed or run by voluntary groups as part of budget proposals to be thrashed out by the full council next month. The futures of Silsden, Baildon, Burley and Menston libraries will be consulted on at a meeting in Keighley Library from 6pm to 7pm today. An informal 'drop-in' session will also be held from 4pm to 6pm. www.cravenherald.co.uk/news/14217410.Councillors_protest_over_length_and_location_of_libraries_closures_consultation_meeting/ |
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| adeythom |
this post has been edited 2 time(s) quoteThe times might be changing? but as far as I can see not for the better. Not everybody can afford computers or even so called cheap books, a free library is the only place they can got to get information and education outside school. Agree. Modern libraries aren't just about books (important as they still are). They're about offering internet access to people who don't have computers, so that children can do online homework and not be dsisadvantaged, and non-computer owners can access all that online stuff. They're about lending DVDs and CDs, audiobooks, ebooks, offering access to expensive online resources for free, newspapers for jobseekers (and everyone else!), storytime for children who otherwise wouldn't be read to, the Summer Reading Challenge which pulls thousands of children in every year, and stops them falling back in literacy over the summer holidays, help for people who need help, etc. It's a LEGAL REQUIREMENT for the council to provide a comprehensive library service (1964 Libraries and Museums act): "Local councils have to abide by the Public Libraries & Museums Act 1964 which makes public library services a statutory duty for local authorities. Councils must: Provide a comprehensive and efficient library service for all persons in the area that want to make use of it. Lend books and other printed material free of charge for those who live, work or study in the area. The government superintends councils' role and has a duty to oversee and promote the public library service and take action where a local authority fails to perform its duties." (CILIP Briefing - CILIP is the professional organisation for library and information staff) The problem is that the government doesn't superintend the role - they don't care. They come from houses full of books, with money to buy more, went to schools with great libraries, and money to buy more, then moved into jobs which gave them the opportunity to own books, and the money to buy more. They cut funding to the bone, then look the other way when councils break the law (Doncaster and Lincolnshire, among others, have already been subject to judicial review on the subject). This has been happening across the country for the last few years. Bradford's actually been quite restrained so far (not something I regularly say...), but the governments persistent abandonment of their role means that libraries are an easy target. Last thought. The huge majority of volunteers, however well intended, aren't librarians, will never be librarians, and can't offer what trained professional libarians can offer. A library's more than a room where books live, it's the heart of a community. Our public library service is up there with the NHS as something visitors from overseas are genuinely jealous of (I've worked with school librarians in Africa, and they find it hard to believe that there are thousands of places in the UK where you can walk in, sign a form, and walk out with books which you can take home and read - for free!) If anynoe's interested, by the way, Speak Up For Libraries, long time library campaign group, are holding a lobby of parliament on February 9th (speakupforlibraries.org/sufl-lobby-2016/now-booking/). Their website (speakupforlibraries.org/) is also worth a look if you're someone who thinks the government should actually do their job protecting libraries. Sorry - rant over!  |
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| Mickyfinn |
During my years at Uni the libraries were absolutely essential in gaining the information I needed to submit essays. I could not have achieved a first class degree without considerable time spent delving through a huge number of books, pamphlets, etc. to obtain the info I needed to form an opinion. Libraries were, & are a valuable source of information which is not always available online. To deny the public access to this info by closing this source is an absolute disgrace. I remember well as a young teenager asking the librarian if I could see a copy of 'Lady Chattersley's Lover. She was not amused. |
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| old_miner |
quoteEasy access? I noted the parking opposite the TH on the day before the table top sale started, some were parked on the crossing warning lines! Access and the ability to park ones car outside the front door are not the same thing. The distance from the car park to the town hall is much less than the distance from the car park of many public venues to the front door. It is poor access for commercial content that restricts the use of the town hall. As that is a consequence of age rather than design other than rebuilding it elsewhere with big car park and specialist user loading bays the restrictions will have to be accepted. |
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| old_miner |
When I were a lad the one and only local library was in the town centre about 3 - 4 miles away. So to use the library meant a bus trip. Ok, there was a bus every 15 minutes, public transport was better then. Relative to Silsden that would now mean Keighley or Ilkley. The assumption that in the 'good old days' library access for all was easy is a myth. |
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| Peter |
quote quoteEasy access? I noted the parking opposite the TH on the day before the table top sale started, some were parked on the crossing warning lines! Access and the ability to park ones car outside the front door are not the same thing. The distance from the car park to the town hall is much less than the distance from the car park of many public venues to the front door. It is poor access for commercial content that restricts the use of the town hall. As that is a consequence of age rather than design other than rebuilding it elsewhere with big car park and specialist user loading bays the restrictions will have to be accepted. Your reply begs the question is the Town Hall fit for purpose? |
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| paperclip |
The Town Hall is "fit" for some people's purpose as a convenient focus for attacks on elected Cllrs and "Bradford". There are good historical reasons for Silsden to resent being lumped in with BMDC. Plus recent ones (not quite as valid) for Andrew Mallinson to be portrayed as the devil incarnate. I don't vote Conservative but a majority in the ward do and he and whatsisname got in That's democracy and the reality of our local representation. We've got Cllrs we've got and we've in Bradford. So why not try and work with that to local advantage? We also have the new Town Hall. With a different, more tolerant lens it could be seen as a good enough renovation of a valuable historic building with huge community (for Silsden's neighbours too) potential and a commercial asset. Taking a deep breath. Going to be gazzered soon. Yet again. |
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| Peter |
The usage stats for Silsden Library 2005 - 2013 Note at the end of 2013 the library moved to the Town Hall and although we are told there are more people using the library in its new location there are no stats publicly available. www.bradford.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/9C57010F-1288-48C4-9C27-600C85D881E8/0/LibraryFactSheetSilsden.pdf |
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| Peter |
I think the consultation on Silsden Library is tonight Thursday (not last night, as reported in a previous post) Bradford – Councillors protest over length and location of libraries closures consultation meeting – Telegraph and Argus. “A decision to allocate only one hour for a meeting on the future of four Bradford Council libraries has sparked protest by some councillors. The Labour-controlled authority is proposing that all bar seven libraries will be either be closed or run by voluntary groups as part of budget proposals to be thrashed out by the full council next month. The futures of Baildon, Burley, Menston and Silsden libraries will be consulted on at a meeting in Keighley Library from 6pm to 7pm this Thursday.” … “Bradford’s got its magnificent seven libraries it wants to keep open and it’s just tough luck for the rest of us and having such a short meeting in Keighley is an insult,” said Cllr Davies (Con, Baildon). www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/14211085.Councillors_protest_over_length_and_location_of_libraries_closures_consultation_meeting/ |
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| dogcatcher |
might of let them close town hall not many use it, weve lost everything else  |
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| gazzer |
quoteThere are good historical reasons for Silsden to resent being lumped in with BMDC. . I totally agree with you and the biggest reason being the fact that on every occasion since 1974 something came up for discussion it pretty much always ended up with Bradford getting their way. Im sure though if talking works people will show me a big list of Bradford backtracking on their proposals. |
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| old_miner |
quote quote quoteEasy access? I noted the parking opposite the TH on the day before the table top sale started, some were parked on the crossing warning lines! Access and the ability to park ones car outside the front door are not the same thing. The distance from the car park to the town hall is much less than the distance from the car park of many public venues to the front door. It is poor access for commercial content that restricts the use of the town hall. As that is a consequence of age rather than design other than rebuilding it elsewhere with big car park and specialist user loading bays the restrictions will have to be accepted. Your reply begs the question is the Town Hall fit for purpose? It is fit for the purpose it was designed or, a Mechanics Institute, Silsden usurped it and called it a town hall! |
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| gazzer |
] It is fit for the purpose it was designed or, a Mechanics Institute, Silsden usurped it and called it a town hall! Built for £2,000 by public subscription, as in paid for by the people of Silsden.Inside 15 years it was handed to Silsden UDC who looked after it locally until Bradford took over in 1974.After 40 years of neglect Bradford finally spent £400,000 making it almost fit for purpose!! |
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| old_miner |
Labour in control and town hall is fixed. In the previous 40 years the Tories were often in power and did, what? Tory propaganda in full swing again. |
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| gazzer |
quoteLabour in control and town hall is fixed. In the previous 40 years the Tories were often in power and did, what? They did what Bradford do in Silsden...nothing |
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| GAMEKEEPER |
quoteLabour in control and town hall is fixed. In the previous 40 years the Tories were often in power and did, what? Tory propaganda in full swing again. Please explain how the former town hall has been "fixed". It is not fit for purpose for the population of Silsden, is clearly not cost efficient and is unlikely to be in the near future. Silsden, under Bradford met, is being systematically robbed of its assets, as are many other outlying areas. Don't turn round and try telling me it's labour vs tort. It is utter crap! This isn't national politics, it is ineffective, local government, that is at fault. |
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| old_miner |
Why isn't the town hall fit for purpose? The current users seem happy enough with it. The few times I have been in in looks fine. A reasonable job was made, in fact getting rid of the false ceiling improved the place substantially. As for the politics, that is what it is all about. The Torys promised to cut taxes, including the rates. They have done and now people are squealing. Braford council on a budget severely limited by central government actions has no choice but to prioritise. It is obvious that reasonably well off areas like Silsden, Addingham Ilkley etc. are going to be well list when it comes to needing essential services. The disconnection between what they want government and how the government gets its money to pay for things affects an awful lot of people. We need more houses - not in my back yard. We need more services - I want my taxes cut. There is no such thing as a free lunch. George Osborne it not my favourite politician, but as chancellor he is at least starting the screw the subsidies to the well off. Maybe someone should run a course on basic economics for the people of Silsden at there community college (Mechanics Insititute)/town hall. |
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| gazzer |
quote Braford council on a budget severely limited by central government actions has no choice but to prioritise. It is obvious that reasonably well off areas like Silsden, Addingham Ilkley etc. are going to be well list when it comes to needing essential services. What an earth has happened to your socialist views if now your saying one area/group should get treated different to another. Each district should be treated the same.You know common welfare.Or does it not fit the argument in this case?? Socialism noun any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system |
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